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Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Smashing Pumpkin musician gets it

Not part of the Springsteen/Sanders lovefest. 

 

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/billy-corgan-bernie-sanders/2016/05/13/id/728641/

 

Its a glaring failure of our education process in America, that a socialist isn't tarred and

feathered right out of town from the getgo.

 

Whats the name of that fruitloop that wrote the fruitloop history book that most of the schools

use now...Howard Zinn?

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Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Howard Zinn...Wiki

yes, that was the name of the fruitcake, self proclaimed marxist/socialist.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn

 

Indiana's governor tried to get his books removed from the public schools...

gotta give him credit for that.

hardnox
Advisor

Re: Howard Zinn...Wiki

Well, he did serve with the 8th Air Corps in Europe which places him a bit above Mitch* and the chickenhawks around here, in my estimation.

 

The official popular history (the opposite of what he wrote, making it worthwhile if for no other reason that that) would have it that those guys were all a bunch of kick ass righties.

 

Actually, like he and George McGovern- another Air Corps hero-  their experiences led many of them develope a considerable distaste for war.

 

*Actually Mitch is much more a movement conservative than a war hawk. When he was GWB's head of OMB and the Iraq cost numbers began to explode to many multiples of the initial estimate, he said, hey, this is a great time to cut social security.

 

Never let a crisis go to waste.

 

BTW, those early Air Corps guys did the heaviest of lifting for the war. The casualty numbers are off the charts compared to any other type of service. Between seeing 80% of your training class lost and never knowing how many civilians you killed, I can see where it might effect your point of view.

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Smashing Pumpkin musician gets it

Entertainers are OK and speak only the truth unless they are for the liberals,  What a freakin' hypocrite!!

OKdon
Senior Contributor

Re: Howard Zinn...Wiki

I had a neighbor that piloted B-17s and B24'S into the heart of germany during WW2 Thousands of flights and a pretty high percentage didn't come back. I also had a friend aboard the USS California on 12-07-1941. Both were survivors and lived out their normal lives

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Howard Zinn...Wiki

Yes, of course, and Benedict Arnold was the most trusted and capable

of Washington's generals during the American Revolution before he

switched sides, and became a traitor to the ideals of freedom and 

liberty, too.

 

 

hardnox
Advisor

Re: Howard Zinn...Wiki

If it is treasonous to suggest that someone other than white winners has a different view given their experiences in US history, I suppose.

 

He probably devoted as much effort to the experiences of white losers- Harlan County coal miners, NC mill workers, Okies) as he did to the various minorities.

 

I had a good laugh this morning when I had a vision of a young BA, in the Little School on the Prairie, with his fingers stuck in his ears as the earnest young teacher was leading the class in This Land is Your Land.

 

PS. I don't fully ascribe to Zinn's take on everything but don't care to burn his book so as to prevent the losers from rising up.

 

 

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Howard Zinn...Wiki

Why do you guys, and I mean shifty, hairlip, GTO before he left, Boris, etal......never give people of color

any credit for being winners in America? What exactly is it that makes you think a person that isn't white

cannot win in the capitalistic system, and as a result help others to also win?

 

What text book did you read that taught you that? that only white people can win, and that if you are not

white, you are destined to be a loser?

 

Any black, hispanic, Asian, etc person that understands the capitalistic system and how it enables the

USA to prosper is usually called a name in this forum.

 

Pretty hopeless in my opinion.

hardnox
Advisor

Re: Howard Zinn...Wiki

That's not what I wrote at all.

 

Zinn simply looks at US history from the point of view of the poor, black, brown, red, female, while the conventional school primarily views it through the actions of powerful white men.

 

For instance Rockefeller built the modern oil industry but his proxies did kill a couple hundred striking men, wives and children in the Colorado Coal Strike.

 

Both historical perspectives are valid, even if one is communistic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Smashing Pumpkin musician gets it

Hey stelie ,I figure you are too stupid to understand anything. You are totally confused, you have it bassackeard.