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bruce MN
Advisor

Sometimes....

......a person simply runs across something that is just plain darned interesting.

 

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/03/14/lest-we-forget-the-neglected-roots-of-europes-slide-to-authorit...

 

 

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Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Sometimes....

Makes Robert E. Lee look pretty good. Lee probably understood pretty well what an entrenched federal nation state was capable of doing to all citizens, black or white.

 

Or maybe he was just a Don Quixote southern type tilting at windmills.

 

Hitler , Goebels, Eichmann...the whole crew would feel pretty much at home in America as part of the permanent federal government.

 

I know that I am going to buy more guns and bullets if I am allowed to.

Milligan Hay - Iowa d:^)
Veteran Advisor

Re: Sometimes....

It is an interesting concept. The harder that they say that Europeans want to avoid Nazism, the more likely they are going to adopt that form of government in the long run.
bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Sometimes....

I get your point, but I'm not so sure that citing Gen. Lee is correct.  It was the politicians and economically powerful citizens of the states that formed the Confederacy and seceded.

 

 

Lee was a soldier who happened to be from Virginia and Virginia was part of it.  From what I recall reading he struggled mightily with the question.

 

Me. not tilting so much as  maybe just picking nits.  And if the South had won permanetn sessesion, the "nation state" that they desired to create would very likely, anctually more likely, have become an "entrenched nation state" governed by a powerful permanent government.  That seems to be what they desired.  Authoritarian policy making. 

 

It was the percieved sins of popular democracy in the North that more than anything caused them to attempt to leave.  They were very likely getting hosed by New York banks and New England shippers and inland industrialists and agricultural interests, and egged on by European interests who didn't like trading and dealing with the new giant of American production and commerce without getting "the cut" they'd been used to for centuries, but the story to come out of of it that the nation has taken forward was that it was about political pressure for emancipation and equality. That probably wasn't all it,  but I doubt that the Confederate States of America would have become some bastion of personal liberty and egalitarian opportunity across all class lines.. 

hardnox604008
Advisor

Re: Sometimes....

The EU has been a huge success
The euro threatens to undermine the whole project
The eurocratic elite are the best in the world at making policy but they exceeded their competence
Samnospam
Advisor

Re: Sometimes....

The quotes are of no surprise whatsoever.  Fascism, Communism, and democratic socialism all lie on the same road traveling away from freedom.

hardnox604008
Advisor

Re: Sometimes....

Those folks down at Auburn just can't get over getting their asses kicked
Samnospam
Advisor

Re: Sometimes....

War destroys both the winners and the losers.  

Samnospam
Advisor

guys at auburn

You might like this weeks show, they talk about how the neocons suddenly became libertarians the day Obama took office.

 

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/2013/03/12/355-911-didnt-change-everything/

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: guys at auburn

good stuff in there, Sam.

 

Liked this piece about the GOP

 

http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo233.html