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kraft-t
Senior Advisor

Starve the beast!

This philosophy was initiated in the reign of Ronald Reagan. The premise was to reduce taxes and reduce revenues in order to force the congress & the democrats to capitulate in their social spending  fight. The safety net of the unfortunate.

 

This was a willful exercise intentionally to bankrupt the nation to bring the other side to their knees. Now that we are in this economic distress, what is the new solution.  The same **bleep** plan as the last one. Cut revenues by reducing taxes for the business and investors which will create even more disparity of wealth between rich and poor.

 

Also included is the effort to diminish labor and working folks. Instead of advocating good paying jobs the real objective is to produce low cost labor.

 

Class warfare is a fact but the truth is that labor did not start it. Romney is the poster child of this class warfare against the common man. His objective is not job creation. It's wealth accumultion in the hands of the chosen few. And we haven't even mention the corporat aholes that are sitting on cash waiting for that probusiness government that will give them every advantage they want while they do little to nothing to fund our government.

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r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Starve the beast!


@kraft-t wrote:

This philosophy was initiated in the reign of Ronald Reagan. The premise was to reduce taxes and reduce revenues in order to force the congress & the democrats to capitulate in their social spending  fight. The safety net of the unfortunate.

 

This was a willful exercise intentionally to bankrupt the nation to bring the other side to their knees. Now that we are in this economic distress, what is the new solution.  The same **bleep** plan as the last one. Cut revenues by reducing taxes for the business and investors which will create even more disparity of wealth between rich and poor.

 

Also included is the effort to diminish labor and working folks. Instead of advocating good paying jobs the real objective is to produce low cost labor.

 

Class warfare is a fact but the truth is that labor did not start it. Romney is the poster child of this class warfare against the common man. His objective is not job creation. It's wealth accumultion in the hands of the chosen few. And we haven't even mention the corporat aholes that are sitting on cash waiting for that probusiness government that will give them every advantage they want while they do little to nothing to fund our government.


Trouble is lowering taxes didn't lower revenue. There is a war against the common people. It is lead by the EPA, TSA, and the SEIU.

Flatland Hillbilly
Senior Contributor

Re: Starve the beast!

How many people work for you?

Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor

Re: Starve the beast!

 

History shows that even after the Reagan cuts, money coming into the treasury increased fairly steadily.  It was the spending increases of $1+ for every $1 that came in, that caused the problems.

 

Money for Chinese hoohers?  we have that.

$14 million turtle crossing?  Let's build it.

Dig a big hole in Mass, that we can throw money into until it is 10X over budget?  Go for it.

 

Then when someone like me suggests cutting spending.....Why do you want orphans to starve, teachers to be fired so kids can't learn, firefighters to not be able to put fires out, etc, etc.  
I never hear  'You're right, there is no reason to send money to hookers in China, build elaborate turtle bridges when studies show they will cross under a road using a simple culvert, as well as a million dollar turtle bridge, etc.  For some reason, when I want to cut spending, I get accused of wanting to starve children, cause workers to endure pay cuts, etc.

 

As for Kraft-t, I think he is too busy amassing his personal wealth, to hire on anyone.

How does that make him different than Romney, again??

Flatland Hillbilly
Senior Contributor

Re: Starve the beast!

Shouldn't he be creating jobs?  Or does he just horde his money?

kraft-t
Senior Advisor

Re: Starve the beast!

As Usual you are wrong. I am older and I am not amassing great wealth. I am paying for real estate and striving to earn a decent living. I hire  the services of a custom farmer who does indeed hire labor to do the task.

 

I am not Mitt Romney nor do I have his wealth. I didn't claim I was a great job creator. he did. I will claim that I pay a much higher tax rate than he does.

 

Now how many jobs do you  produce? When I was your age I didn't hang around on the internet 24/7.  I farmed a number of acres, produced 3000 market hogs a year and we did it the hard way. I created jobs and had a couple hired hands with families that we supported.

 

I am coasting toward the grim reaper. I am no longer the young tiger I used to be. If there is something wrong with that, you will have to explain it to me.

Flatland Hillbilly
Senior Contributor

Re: Starve the beast!

A feable old man now huh?  BS....I know damm well you've got money you're not using and it would be downright immoral and unpatriotic for you not to employ some one with that money.

Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor

Re: Starve the beast!


@kraft-t wrote:

As Usual you are wrong. I am older and I am not amassing great wealth. I am paying for real estate and striving to earn a decent living. I hire  the services of a custom farmer who does indeed hire labor to do the task.

 

You are buying land, but not amassing wealth?  That does not seem to jive.

Custom hiring, we've been down that road before, where you insist it is not 'hiring' anyone.

Let's see...amassing your own personal wealth, but not hiring anyone. 
Isn't that just what you were saying Romney does, that is so 'bad'?  Why is it only 'bad' when he does it?

 

I am not Mitt Romney nor do I have his wealth. I didn't claim I was a great job creator. he did. I will claim that I pay a much higher tax rate than he does.

 

And he will claim his check is much bigger.  Both of you will probably be right, but it is just arguing semantics, since neither of you pay any extra than the minimum you have to.

 

Now how many jobs do you  produce?

Just me, I'm self-employed, but I wasn't the one who started this thread, I'm just replying with a couple counterpoints.

When I was your age I didn't hang around on the internet 24/7.  I farmed a number of acres, produced 3000 market hogs a year and we did it the hard way. I created jobs and had a couple hired hands with families that we supported.

 

So, you are saying you had workers that you laid off?  Why would you do such a thing?   Aren't you the one who keeps saying that there shouldn't be layoffs?  What changed your mind?

 

I am coasting toward the grim reaper. I am no longer the young tiger I used to be. If there is something wrong with that, you will have to explain it to me.

Nothing wrong with living off the fruits of your life's labor.  Nothing at all.  I'm just pointing out that you are begrudging someone else, while you are doing the same thing.  Except for having a smaller slice of the pie than Romney, how does that make your philosopy any different, when it comes to your personal finances?  Can you explain how buying land, and custom hiring to a low bidder, is any different than amassing wealth without providing good paying jobs?

 

I don't mean to sound like a psychotherapist, but you started this thread, looking for an argument.  You shouldn't act so surprised when you find one.


 

SellerB
Frequent Contributor

With your logic

Shifty Romney is also “downright immoral and unpatriotic” by leaving those tax avoided Millions overseas, when he should be creating jobs here with that money?

 

Seems that your Lumping Kraft and Shifty in the same group.

 

Just asking.

kraft-t
Senior Advisor

Re: Starve the beast!

I am not buying land I am paying for land. If you hired a harvestor would you pay per hoour worked or per acre haervested. I pay per acre harvested because I didn't hire labor. I hire machine work done.

 

I do not pay the minimum II have to and haven't for several years. For example. I could invest in an IRA and postpone taxes on aportion of the income. Instead I do not have an IRA because working capital is necessary to meet our obligations and support our life style.

 

What, You don't create any jobs? Why the hell are you ragging on me about it.

 

I didn't lay anyone off. The moved on to better things.

 

I am not custom farming by the low bidder.  My man was the only bidder. He bid the rates and I hired him. Nothing competitive about.

 

In the mean time I suggest you spend some time on how to grow your business. What you claim to know about other things are hardly logical. Our converstaion is over!