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jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

Re: Still Defending Trump - Really?

WCMO, all the questions you have asked, have been answered on here again, and again, and again.

 

Secretary Clinton has been grilled time and time again as you Republicans have brought her up on charge, after charge, after charge.  You don't like the outcome of the investigations, so you just bring it up again, and again, and again.

 

Secretary Clinton has proven time and time again that she can sit in front of the bright lights, for hours of intense questioning, and come out of the grilling unscathed, yet, since it is the only line of defense that the the Republicans have to keep her out of office, that is the mechanism that you think will cause enough doubt in voters minds to turn out in droves for Dumpy...

 

Just keep asking the same questions, and my answers will keep being the same.  You know what the answers are.  

 

The long and the short is what you guys are afraid of when you have to say, "Madam President".  Guns, guns, guns and more guns.  She has never said that she was going to take away the guns.  Gun Control.  Yes.  Personally, as a person who has never owned or wanted to own a gun, like BA says, "It doesn't affect me - why should I care?"  It doesn't affect me.  If you think that gun makes you safe, maybe you should read all of the research done that shows that just having the gun makes you less safe.  Or, how about asking Philando Castile how well his gun protected him a few weeks ago.  If he hadn't had the gun - he would still be alive today, and we would have one less police shooting to argue about.

 

You guys like to bring up President Clintons indiscretions from 20 years ago....and that's A-OK.  But Dumpies remarks from 11 years ago isn't the man he is now.  Right.  With everything the man has said in this election cycle, you really need to get a grip on what you're actually saying.  

 

The comments about "having to bake a wedding cake for gays" tells me everything that you guys think about discrimination.  My guess, deep down, you still want blacks in "their place".  And see - that's the MO of you Republicans.   When forced to accept something that you don't, you just take it underground.  

 

It's OK to demean and to say whatever you want about someone, if they can't hear it.  It's what makes it so much fun to be able to do texting or tweeting.  You can say something bad about someone right in front of them, smile and we're all buddy buddy.  

 

I don't do social media....except what you see on here.   On here, I am concerned that several posters seem to be able to put up whatever they want, and nothing ever happens to them.  BA being the worst.  His comments about Secretary Clinton and his posts are pretty much akin to what Mr. Trump says.  I suspect that's why Mr. Trump is so high on BA's list.  He'd much rather put out whatever he wants, with no consequences at all.  Maybe he thinks the Donald would give that to him too.  

 

We live in a civilized society, that has rules.  If you don't like the rules here - then leave....

 

Jen

 

 

WCMO
Senior Advisor

Re: Still Defending Trump - Really?

Well first, I am not a Republican, nor a Democrat.  I vote whoever best fits own my personal opinions, or the lesser of the evils as I perceive them, whatever the case might be.  Some of the same questions and answers keep popping up simply because one side can't understand how the other side can't draw the same conclusions from the same information -- works both ways.

 

Clinton, or Trump, not confessing, or being either "not charged" or "not guilty" is not the same as actually being innocent.  Some things are just difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.  Much of what we read and hear is not first-hand, and most is slanted to one or another viewpoint.  Some (many) of Clinton, and Trump, perceived transgressions HAVE been sufficiently proven to any reasonable average person, at least sufficient to form an opinion, regardless of whether or not a reasonable doubt remains.

 

Trump perceived transgressions were as a private citizen, and businessman.  An opinion that he is a sexist jerk doesn't necessarily disqualify him for the job, at least, given the choices.

 

Sec Clinton perceived transgressions were as an attorney, wife of a governor, wife of a President, wife of an ex-President, Senator, Sec of State.  As an attorney, and in previous direct or indirect public service, Sec Clinton should be held to a higher standard, in my opinion -- simply because her perceived transgressions occurred as an attorney and/or during her tenure in direct or indirect public service.  Plus, if Sec Clinton is elected, then her husband will also be in the White House, privy to things not otherwise available to average citizens, and it is fair to consider his past history and present associations, etc.

 

I have seen enough of both these candidates to feel that, just in my own opinion, neither is good for our present nor future.  Regardless of who wins, I think we all lose in one way or another.

 

Now, if any of this makes you believe I am a Democrat or Republican, or that I "support" either Clinton or Trump, then I apoligize for my apparent inability to clarify it for you.

 

Still, though I'm repeating myself -- just so there is no misunderstanding, I am not a "supporter" of Trump, yet I will never vote for Hillary Clinton --  And, http://community.agriculture.com/t5/Ag-Forum/Something-to-Consider/m-p/642132

AllenJwi
Senior Contributor

Re: Still Defending Trump - Really?

Everything you say, have said and will say is total crap. I can't believe some one has lived as long as you can be so clueless.

jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

Re: Still Defending Trump - Really?

Allen - I agree with you. You would think that at age 60, Trump wouldn't be still saying the juvenile things that he did, and still does.

He really is a piece of crap.

Jen
hardnox
Advisor

Re: Still Defending Trump - Really?

Drove through a piece of the countryside with a lot of Trump/Pence signs.

 

Except for two that had the top name lopped off- I assume recently, but don't know..

 

So a question that I couldn't possibly answer. If Trump would drop out, how will things skew?

 

 

 

sw363535
Honored Advisor

Re: Still Defending Trump - Really?

Lets take the issues to the folks that make all this possible.

 

Lets stop funding and ban these two political parties that present us with these "deplorable" choices....

 

And please stop trying to defend the indefensible....................  If Bill Clinton can be considered a good president or even a decent speaker without considering the type of cigar holder he chooses, How on earth can irreverent statements made to hype a Casino or a moronic TV show eleven years ago on another "deplorable" talk show disqualify a fool from being qualified for President?

Kennedy did ok while cheating on Jackie.  Johnson seemed to be OK while excalating the bombing......until his girlfriend found the internet...   Lets face it when it came to the Clintons it depends on what the definition of is is!

In fact as ugly as it may seem Trump seems to have a level of honesty that the Clintons have never lived up to.  ---- or for Krafty's benefit..... been convicted of..

In fact I don't think either one of the Clintons have ever been under conviction to anything

 

 

WCMO
Senior Advisor

Sounds Complicated if Trump Quits

 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/heres-what-happens-if-donald-trump-drops-out-of-presidential-race/

 

Sounds complicated, primarily due to the nearness of the election, if Trump drops out.  

 

If Trump is true to his word, he won't drop out.

 

 

 

 

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Still Defending Trump - Really?

We are electing a president not a preacher. Bill Clinton and the progressive taught us personal lives don't matter.

WCMO
Senior Advisor

Re: Still Defending Trump - Really?

Yep, pretty much on the mark.

 

Not counting out-of-court settlements, it appears the closest any of Clintons came to a "conviction" was this -- from Wikipedia

 

"Former President Clinton was never convicted of perjury, but this isn't to say he escaped unscathed by lying. He was cited for contempt of court, including a $90,000 fine, and he later agreed to a plea bargain with the Office of the Independent Counsel under which his Arkansas law license was suspended for five years."

AllenJwi
Senior Contributor

Re: Still Defending Trump - Really?

100% spot on sw363535