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r3020
Senior Advisor

Sweden

Real science.

 

 

Authored by Steve Watson via Summit News,

As the rest of Europe and the world remains under the grip of draconian rules and the threat of new lockdowns, Sweden, which allowed its citizens to remain free throughout the entire pandemic, has pretty much declared victory over the coronavirus.

The country now has one of the lowest infection rates on the planet, and it’s difficult not to admire how it has handled the past year, with no strict lockdown or compulsory face mask rules. All businesses, schools and public places remained open in Sweden for the duration.

“Sweden has gone from being the country with the most infections in Europe to the safest one,” Sweden’s senior epidemiologist Dr. Anders Tegnell commented to Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.

“What we see now is that the sustainable policy might be slower in getting results, but it will get results eventually,” Tegnell clarified.

“And then we also hope that the result will be more stable,” he added.

Tegnell previously warned that encouraging people to wear face masks is “very dangerous” because it gives a false sense of security but does not effectively stem the spread of the virus.

“The findings that have been produced through face masks are astonishingly weak, even though so many people around the world wear them,” Tengell has urged.

Last week, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control confirmed Sweden’s drop in infection rate, with only 12 cases per million, compared to 18 in neighbouring Denmark and 14 in nearby Norway.

At the peak of the Sweden’s outbreak, it was seeing 108 new infections per million people, as it pursued a “herd immunity” strategy.

The figures also show that out of 2500 randomly selected and tested people in Sweden, none tested positive, compared to 0.9 percent positive in April, and 0.3 percent in May.

“We interpret this as meaning there is not currently a widespread infection among people who do not have symptoms,” said Karin Tegmark, deputy head of the Public Health Agency of Sweden.

When compared to the rest of Europe, Sweden’s death rate sits somewhere in the middle. However, officials are confident that playing the long game will see this improve drastically.

19 Replies
sam1wiseone
Senior Contributor

Re: Sweden

Time will tell the full story, but I'd guess that other Scandinavian nations will catch up to Sweden's numbers as their lockdown are withdrawn.  Given no vaccine, the devil will be paid.

Now, the brainless people, are simultaniously claiming covid-1984 allows no build up of herd immunity, while at the same time claiming masks usage will get us to herd immunity. 

Hawaii implemented a mask mandate July 1.  About 14 days later they went exponential in new cases.  

Across the Midwest around 25k college students have tested positive.  Zero hospitalizations, zero deaths. 

Of course they've found the tests are too sensitive.  That the slightest rna in a persons system will return positive.  The virus enters a persons system even if they are immune.  The immune system kills it but the remains of the virus are still there.

Interesting tidbit, they've found covid-1984 in sewage samples in Spain collected in January of 2019. Yes, January 2019.

sdholloway56
Senior Advisor

Re: Sweden

"somewhere in the middle" is a bit of weasel wording- actually near the top in deaths per capita.

With what we know about the science, whatever is responsible for the pause there is behavior based.

It is not "herd immunity".

sdholloway56
Senior Advisor

Re: Sweden

Perhaps the greatest leadership failure in US history would have been avoided had a herd immunity strategy been evoked.

Having it neither way is the worst of both.

sdholloway56
Senior Advisor

Re: Sweden

The key failure point was "it will just go away (in April, May, June, July, August.......by October for sure).

Even among "experts" you can always find someone to tell you what you want to hear.

sdholloway56
Senior Advisor

Re: Sweden

Must be wonderful to have "amazing, untold secret powers" but bear no responsibility.

Always someone else's fault.

gh2002gh
Senior Contributor

Re: Sweden


@sdholloway56 wrote:

"somewhere in the middle" is a bit of weasel wording- actually near the top in deaths per capita.

With what we know about the science, whatever is responsible for the pause there is behavior based.

It is not "herd immunity".


You know nothing about science Knox.  

You post talking point narratives constantly like you're actually knowledgeable, but you can't even answer the first round of questions that come your way.  Much less actually hold a conversation on anything scientific. 

https://community.agriculture.com/t5/Ag-Forum/light-flu/td-p/772722

 

You're just a ***** Propagandist and everyone sees it.

 

https://twitter.com/lawyer4laws/status/1289243677118799872?s=09 

 

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Sweden

I seriously doubt that a collective throwing up of hands and saying “it is what it is” has been totally discounted as the ultimately arrived at comprehensive public policy.

Just can’t see anybody proposing it in such a polarized environment.

Or if it is, very many people going to movies, MLB games, crowding restaurants (at least for very long) or standing in lines at Target or Walmart to check out Christmas toys. The economic damage will suddenly manifest, as it eventually will, no matter what steps are taken.

It’s been perfectly evident since the Spring that When this  “ends” some monitor simply is going to turn the switch back on.

Job one or two might be dealing with the drunks, addicts, spouse and kid beaters and irreversible mental illness it’s generated. Trumpism would dictate ridicule and marginalize. I’ll trust the local social worker over somebody like the new head of the USPS who’s likely headed for prison in North Carolina. Heck, even if she happens to be an overweight lesbian (Hat Tip: Red) 

sdholloway56
Senior Advisor

Re: Sweden

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14494035.2020.1783787

More about "nudge".

Question- do you suppose that if Dennison had offered stern suggestions on voluntary changes in social behavior, his base would have fallen in line?

Or maybe the communists would have been out spreadin' it anyway?

Regardless, everything is outdoors in the brief stretch of long summer days in Sweden. Winter will still present a test. Seroprevalence isn't a lot higher than many other very hard hit places.

sdholloway56
Senior Advisor

Re: Sweden

Deliberately playing down the virulence and pathology is the opposite of a herd immunity strategy.