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schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

TAXES

For you folks who are always bad mouthing the so called 47% of people who don't pay any taxes and are always bad mouthing anyone who wants to make corporations pay taxes.  If these 27 corps paid their fair share and didn't get the money the taxpayers give them, it would most likely be more than if those poor 47% did pay taxes!!

 

http://usuncut.com/class-war/27-corporations-paid-no-taxes-in-2015/

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northnd
Senior Contributor

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I agree wholeheartedly.  This is IMHO is not really a political ideology difference.  This has occurred over many democratic/republican presidencies as well as congressional power shifts between parties.  Those in power whether they have a D or R after their name still grease the wheels of the elite.  Personally it comes down to working as hard as I can to provide for my family, give as much as I can to various charitable organizations, while making sure I have enough to pay Uncle Sam his due.  I too reel at corportations moving operations oversees and shifting profits oversees to avoid taxes.  We need them to pay their share, while putting people back to work so that you and I aren't overburdened trying to cover the 47% who don't make enough to pay as well as those both political parties let off the hook(those mentioned in the article and a whole lot more unmentioned). 

r3020
Senior Advisor

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@northnd wrote:

I agree wholeheartedly.  This is IMHO is not really a political ideology difference.  This has occurred over many democratic/republican presidencies as well as congressional power shifts between parties.  Those in power whether they have a D or R after their name still grease the wheels of the elite.  Personally it comes down to working as hard as I can to provide for my family, give as much as I can to various charitable organizations, while making sure I have enough to pay Uncle Sam his due.  I too reel at corportations moving operations oversees and shifting profits oversees to avoid taxes.  We need them to pay their share, while putting people back to work so that you and I aren't overburdened trying to cover the 47% who don't make enough to pay as well as those both political parties let off the hook(those mentioned in the article and a whole lot more unmentioned). 


One thing that will help keep corps on our shores is to lower corp tax rates and let the people who earn the money pay the taxes. Corps can't survive if our tax policies make them uncompetitive in the world market. And the truth is our government has a spending problem not a revenue problem.

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I halfway agree with you.

 

FWIW, the poor corps probably can survive just fine paying taxes but they'll sure get out of them any way they can, including moving offshore. Corporations are by nature sociopathic, even if they do an occasional good deed for PR purposes. There's a problem with our definition of corporate personhood even if it is enshrined in our law going back to the early 19th century.

 

But I'd even go so far as to say why not a 0% corporate tax rate couple with strongly progressive personal rates on all forms of income- earned, dividends and interest?

 

Retained earnings are either going to be invested in productive purposes or reduce debt (you would have to crack down on stock buybacks, which needs doing anyway). Or go out as dividends and then it is taxed a single time.

 

The stock is presumably worth something more if there's more earnings left over and if there's a dividend. Let ma and pa coupon clipper get a preferential rate on those forms of income up to say, $50,000. But ma and pa don't own that much of the market.

 

Above that, personal taxes kick in at say 50% above $1M on all forms of income- CGs, dividends, interest, earned.

 

A lot of benefits- higher productivity from the accumulated capital and more than anything, tends to reduce the incentive for destructive financial games.

 

I wouldn't sell this part too hard but might even be some of that improved efficiency and investment translate into wages for poor schlubs.

 

But at the end of the day that money is of better use to the economy being retained in the corporation than it is in buying Hamptons estates for the executives, board and "activist investors" like hedgies and PE operators.  And if they want to do that they'd better have a pretty stupid bunch of shareholders because they're going to have to increase their comp by 50% to get to the same place.

northnd
Senior Contributor

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Sorry, I have many conservative bones in my body, but enough is enough.  I don't know how you get lower than 0% tax rate.  Wait, you don't pay anything and get subsidies.  In most circumstances they aren't moving operations out of country to stay afloat, they are doing so to make more money for their investor's and repbulican's and democrat's are creating the loopholes for them to do it.  One of the major problems for them right now is healthcare.  The company my wife works for is getting slammed by exploding healthcare costs.  Fix a few problems like these and they should be able to pay their share.  No more f'ing loopholes.  The loophole for the little guy is not paying and I am not real keen on prison life so I fork up.  Think how much money they could save cutting down on hiring massive law and accountant firms to find the loopholes?  But, I know it will never happen.  Not because it can't but because I have been around long enough to know those in control won't let it happen.  Oh they will blow smoke up your arse and make you think they are on top of it.   I think we need at least one more political party in the mix.  Hell, some countries have 6-7.  Maybe increase the odds we get a group not full of chit. 

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Berniecare would greatly reduce the medical cost burden on most businesses. And very greatly reduce the HR costs associated with administering it.

 

I don't think full single payer will happen immediately even if he is elected but I think there's a good chance for a public option which might kickstart the transition.

 

BTW, I don't know the circumstances of your wife's company, or what they were previously offering, but for the most part the increase in large group premiums has slowed some under ACA.  They were going up sharply for many years.

 

https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

 

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Good idea.  As divided as we are a multi-party parliamentary form would serve us much better in these times.  

Polaris Racer
Senior Contributor

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Hillary's friends?

OKdon
Senior Contributor

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Racer, do you acknowledge that you sir get the same exemptions that they do before you pay taxes? If they get $10K of their income exempted, you do as well. So you are discrediting those folks that share the same exemptions as you when their only "sin" is not earning enough money! So if their employer paid them $10k or $20k more money, you could learn to respect them.

 

I think it is simply wrong to equate low pay with laziness or sloth. Sometimes hard working people are not adequately compensated. In fact they are paid so little that they don't qualify for federal income taxes. I don't think they deserve our disrepect, do you?