Tale Of Two paitents

[Hobbyfarmer]

>>  Two patients limp into two different medical clinics with the same
>> complaint. Both have trouble walking and appear to require hip surgery.
>>
>>
>> The FIRST patient is examined within the hour, is x-rayed the same day
>> and
>> has a time booked for surgery the following week.
>>
>> The SECOND sees his family doctor after waiting 3 weeks for an
>> appointment,
>> then waits 8 weeks to see a specialist, then gets an x-ray, which isn't
>> reviewed for another week and finally has his surgery scheduled for 6
>> months from then pending the review boards decision on his age and
>> remaining value to society.
>>
>> Why the different treatment for the two patients?
>>
>> The FIRST is a Golden Retriever taken to a  vet.
>>
>> The  SECOND is a Senior Citizen on Obama care.
>>
>> In November if there is no change in government we'll all have to find a
>> good vet

[bruce MN]

How could ANY Sr. citizen be covered under The Affordable Care Act? 

[Red Steele]

Borass, you either are getting freaking more dense and obtuse each week, or its me. Maybe it is me, and my tolerance for fools is growing pretty thin.

You obviously know that American healthcare has never been modeled around making money off senior care, and that Medicare is supposed to basically operate at cost or slightly below cost, and that the balance of the paying public actually provides the profit margins. Or don't you?

You claim to have some knowledge of David Durenburger, and the change from Medicare being a reimbursement of costs, less the profit margin, to one of DRG's, or maybe you don't even know about that aspect.

I am at a loss.

[bruce MN]

I know as much as anybody can know about Medicare. I'm coming up on 66.  Have my card in my wallet.  Don't use it because my youthful spouse has good family health Insurance, but will some day and most surely keep up on it.

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The "two patient" bogus parable that started the thread refered to a "senior on Obamacre".  We Srs. aren't.  It's not available to us. That was who and and what I was responding to..

[OKdon]

When these folks try to rip a new one for Obamacare, they often give away in their own comments how ignorant they are about how Obama care and medicare works.

Like the dude that said his folks lost their medicare because they were late making a pyment. His parents don't make a payment to their medicare. It is deducted from their SS as is their supplement or their drug policy if they have one. Thus the whole basis fir their comments drown in their ignorance.

The point being if they want to berate government health care they should devolop an understanding of how it works. Instead their ignorance exposes them for the frauds they are.

[Red Steele]

ALL seniors will be on Obamacare, indirectly, as the effects of the for-profit healthcare model being diminished by Obamacare, and the reality of  providers leaving or never entering the medical field pretty directly affects the residual quality of care that will be left for the elderly and others on Medicare, Medicaid, and other government forms of Medical care delivery.

I know that you fruitloops will pooh pah this exit of medical professionals, but I am witnessing it already. I won't share the anecdotes and I am sure you guys feel that a man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest. But I am seeing it, and you can disregard it as you choose. Hope we have plenty of good vets around when the system crashes. Soon we are all going to be treated like the VA health recipients unless its the Republicans going Har Har Har, in November.

[OKdon]

What is the distinguishing difference between a crop insurance or a health insurance policy solely because of the government subsidy for premium payments. Do younthink your crop insurance policy would be better if you paid for it yourself.

When an obama care patient goes to a doctors office or a hospital he provides his policy information to the clerical staff.  IS there something on the insurance card that says government subsidizes the premium on this policy? IS your Blue cross card different or is your policy different from the guys with the premium subsidy.

I don't know but i'll bet the doctors office or the hospital does not even know which policys are subsidized or not. Thus there would be nothing to distinguish one from another.

Doctors and hospitals are businesses. They will do what they deem best for their patients and their businesses. If they choose not to accept insurance coverage either medical or private coverage they can do so.  BUt distinguishing between a subsidized policy and an ordinary patient paid policy might be rather difficult.

[sw363535]

Huge administrative costs come with government involvement.

[bruce MN]

https://www.aamc.org/newsroom/newsreleases/358410/20131024.html

[OKdon]

And how would that effect whether a doctor offered services or not. It's the same policy written for the subsidized policy and the policy not subsidized,