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r3020
Senior Advisor

Teacher to student: can't write about Jesus

The kid can't pick her heros, the teacher has to pick them for her.

 

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 A parent is speaking out after she said her daughter's teacher rejected a rough draft of her paper. The subject, her hero, Jesus.

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Heather Watts said her daughter attends second grade at Cerro Gordo Elementary School in Columbus County. Watts said the teacher asked her 8-year-old daughter Ryleigh, "can't you write about something different?"

"I think she should have freedom to write about what she wants to write about," the disgruntled mother said. "If she wants to write about Jesus, she should write about Jesus."

Watts said this question is threatening her daughter's First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

A statement from the school denies the incident: 

"After speaking with both the teacher and the principal, we have learned that students were not restricted from writing on any topic of their choosing. Columbus County Schools encourages student expression in all aspects of our educational program. We also have an open-door policy, and encourage our parents and guardians to contact or visit their child's school to address any concerns."

After meeting with her daughter's principal and teacher, Watts said the issue has not been resolved and Ryleigh is still being asked to write about something different.

 

http://www.wect.com/story/24981121/parent-daughter-asked-to-re-do-assignment-after-writing-about-jes...

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KNAPPer
Senior Contributor

Re: Teacher to student: can't write about Jesus

I wonder what the original purpose of the assignment was? Your article does not mention that. Was it an English class, history class, what?

 

Generally, I have no sympathy for the kid or parents. She can write about Jesus 100% of the time when not in school and the purpose of public school is not theological. They should consider sending the child to a parochial school where this kind of subject is the center of teaching. Sorry, but I agree with the school and I am indeed a Christian. Teach God at home and church and teach reading, writing and arithmatic at school - pretty simple. You also have to consider if this writing about Jesus is OK, then you would also have to allow a child to write about the glory of Satan. Do you want all the other kids to hear that paper read? Public schools are the state and there should be a separation of church and state.

 

Also ask yourself, do you really want schools making decisions over religion? What about grading that paper? Do you want the teacher telling the student she was wriong and Jesus he really meant so and so?

 

Try and control your emotions better and think rationally.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Teacher to student: can't write about Jesus


@KNAPPer wrote:

I wonder what the original purpose of the assignment was? Your article does not mention that. Was it an English class, history class, what?

 

Generally, I have no sympathy for the kid or parents. She can write about Jesus 100% of the time when not in school and the purpose of public school is not theological. They should consider sending the child to a parochial school where this kind of subject is the center of teaching. Sorry, but I agree with the school and I am indeed a Christian. Teach God at home and church and teach reading, writing and arithmatic at school - pretty simple. You also have to consider if this writing about Jesus is OK, then you would also have to allow a child to write about the glory of Satan. Do you want all the other kids to hear that paper read? Public schools are the state and there should be a separation of church and state.

 

Also ask yourself, do you really want schools making decisions over religion? What about grading that paper? Do you want the teacher telling the student she was wriong and Jesus he really meant so and so?

 

Try and control your emotions better and think rationally.


Then why can the Virgina legislatures do this?

 

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HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 484
Offered March 3, 2014

Commending the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic  Center.

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Patrons-- Lopez, Kory, Plum, Sickles, Simon and Watts
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WHEREAS, the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center, a nonprofit  organization in Falls Church, celebrated 30 years of serving and uplifting  members of the Northern Virginia Muslim community and conducting outreach to  the region in 2013; and

WHEREAS, founded in 1983, the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center  traces its roots to a house in Falls Church that was chosen for its proximity  to the Washington, D.C., metro area and its thriving Muslim community;  construction on the current facility began in 1986 and it  opened in 1991; and

WHEREAS, the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center works to strengthen  the Muslim faith in the region through seminars, sermons, lectures, social  activities, and clear operational hours for the observance of daily prayer; and

WHEREAS, encouraging the members of the Muslim community to  become productive members of society, the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center promotes  cooperation, tolerance, and mutual understanding among  different faiths; and

WHEREAS, the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center conducts outreach in  the community, offering educational classes and making charitable donations to  those in need; and

WHEREAS, the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center is affiliated with  the Muslim American Society, a national religious, educational, cultural, and  charitable organization; now, therefore, be it

RESOLVED by the House of Delegates, the Senate concurring,  That the General Assembly hereby commend the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center on  the occasion of its 30th anniversary; and, be it

RESOLVED FURTHER, That the Clerk of the House of Delegates  prepare a copy of this resolution for presentation to the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic  Center as an expression of the General Assembly’s admiration for the center’s  commitment to serving the Northern Virginia Muslim community and peoples of all  faiths.

 

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?141+ful+HJ484

KNAPPer
Senior Contributor

Re: Teacher to student: can't write about Jesus

3020 - quoting your post (Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center) -  "a national religious, educational, cultural, and  charitable organization"   -  I recon because they are a charitable organization, they can do whatever the heck they want as long as they meet the state curriculum framework. Public schools are not charitable organizations and you post indicatefd that "Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center, a nonprofit  organization in Falls Church" was not a public school and indeed was a charitable orginization, basically a church school (though Muslim).

 

So, the conclusion follows. if you want to teach religion in school, go to a religious school and not a public (state operated) one. Anything goes there as long as you meet the standards....you can pray as much as possible and learn ABCs as minimal as required by law.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Teacher to student: can't write about Jesus


@KNAPPer wrote:

3020 - quoting your post (Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center) -  "a national religious, educational, cultural, and  charitable organization"   -  I recon because they are a charitable organization, they can do whatever the heck they want as long as they meet the state curriculum framework. Public schools are not charitable organizations and you post indicatefd that "Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center, a nonprofit  organization in Falls Church" was not a public school and indeed was a charitable orginization, basically a church school (though Muslim).

 

So, the conclusion follows. if you want to teach religion in school, go to a religious school and not a public (state operated) one. Anything goes there as long as you meet the standards....you can pray as much as possible and learn ABCs as minimal as required by law.


It was the Virgina legislature. They passed a resolution praising a mosque with ties to the 9-11 terrorist but this little girl can't write a paper about who she views as her hero, Jesus.

KNAPPer
Senior Contributor

Re: Teacher to student: can't write about Jesus

I'm sorry 3020...I don't get it. How are Cerro Gordo Elementary School and Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center connected? One is public school and one is private school: yes?

 

How do these two schools relate to your original post? Pardon me if it is obvious - sometimes I need explanations. Are you saying a public school should be able to be as religiously oriented as a private/religious school? How is the legislature involved? do you believe that public schools should teach religion and if so, which religion should they impose with our tax dollars? Of course we should all believe that private schools can teach what they want pert to religion as long as they also meet the core curriculium standards.

 

Please explain for this dumb plain feller - me.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Teacher to student: can't write about Jesus


@KNAPPer wrote:

I'm sorry 3020...I don't get it. How are Cerro Gordo Elementary School and Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center connected? One is public school and one is private school: yes?

 

How do these two schools relate to your original post? Pardon me if it is obvious - sometimes I need explanations. Are you saying a public school should be able to be as religiously oriented as a private/religious school? How is the legislature involved? do you believe that public schools should teach religion and if so, which religion should they impose with our tax dollars? Of course we should all believe that private schools can teach what they want pert to religion as long as they also meet the core curriculium standards.

 

Please explain for this dumb plain feller - me.


A little girl in a public school can not write a paper on her hero, Jesus, because that would not be seperation between church and state. The state legislature in Virgina passes a resolution praising a mosque that was involved with the 9-11 terrorist and that is fine and does not involve the seperation between church and state. Get the irony? A little girl can not say Jesus is her hero but a state legislature can pass a resolution praising a muslim mosque.

gough whitlam
Senior Contributor

Re: Teacher to student: can't write about Jesus

Your silly devotion to Jesus got you into more hoy water. If you would like your children to be taught lies about Jesus, send them to the appropriate school. Stop fleecing the taxpayer by attending a socialist funded school when you so often speak out against socialism. Hypocrite comes to mind but perish the thought.
r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Teacher to student: can't write about Jesus


@gough whitlam wrote:
Your silly devotion to Jesus got you into more hoy water. If you would like your children to be taught lies about Jesus, send them to the appropriate school. Stop fleecing the taxpayer by attending a socialist funded school when you so often speak out against socialism. Hypocrite comes to mind but perish the thought.

I'm ther one that funds that school. Why does the Virgina state government get to promote the muslim faith while the little girl can't choose her own hero? Why is there seperation of church and state for some but not all?

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: Teacher to student: can't write about Jesus

I helped my sixth grade daughter study for a test on religions last night. covers Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, christianity., public school, no problem.

 

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but like you said it depends on the subject. if it was an English composition, that subject would be fine. if it was for a history class as a teacher i'd expect to see at least 3 separate references, I don't think you can do that with Jesus, as all references would derive from one source.

but then again, if the paper was about historical mythology, maybe it would be OK. or religion in history. so I guess I'd disagree that in general such a paper violates separation. the student is doing the work, the teacher is not assigning it.