Educated by Christians

[schnurrbart]

You know, that story about Congress voting on the war and the invasion of a sovereign nation is really getting old.  Of course, they voted on it.  They bought into to the lies and half-truths that the people from the Project for an American Century told bush and got him to believe it.  Yes, they believed it because they wanted to believe it.  2 years and no luck on catching OBL.  They needed to believe and bush desperately needed something to win his second term.  Only later we all found out exactly what the whole thing was based on and we find ourselves STILL engaged in what looks to be like the deja vu of VietNam all over again.  I asked you or someone similar in thinking to show where the Govt is going to control all health care in this country.  If it wasn't you I asked, maybe you would be so kind as to supply the info.

[Red Steele]

What natural resources did Vietnam have that LBJ coveted enough to cost the USA over 50,000 of our young men and women?

[bruce MN]

I understand the premise of your question, but why LBJ? Weren't we  were there under a succession of Presidents?

[Red Steele]

LBJ escalated the war to the thresholds that caused most of the deaths. Sure , we had American advisors there under IKe, and some escalation under Kennedy, but LBJ gets the tail on the donkey for Vietnam. Some say that he was getting payola from the forerunner to Halliburton..some Texas munitions supplier named ...what was it Kellog , Root and Brown?

I would say without hesitation that LBJ was the worst president of my lifetime, and one of the most sniveling, corrupt people to ever hold the office. Ted Kennedy would have been a close second, but thankfully he never got elected.

LBJ's screwing around made Clinton look like a choirboy, and he was crooked as a dog's hind leg.

[bruce MN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sOX7AViZek&feature=related

And the leadup segment, if you've got the time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4W52y112Y&feature=related

[johnaa]

 The real Mr. X was Lt. Col. L. Fletcher Prouty.  if one has not read his books  there is little probability they  have enough information to understand how the world works.

It has been difficult to find his books for some reason however you can buy a CD which has the three books plus a great deal other articles and data.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Fletcher_Prouty

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Prouty was a graduate of Massachusetts State College in 1941 with a Bachelor's degree.

[edit]World War II

He began his military career with the 4th Armored Division in Pine Camp, New York. He transferred to the US Air Force in 1942 earning his Pilot's wings in November. He arrived in British West Africa in February 1943 as a pilot with Air Transport Command.

In the summer of 1943 he was the personal pilot of General Omar Bradley, General John C. H. Lee and General C. R. Smith (Founder and President - American Airlines), among others. He flew the U.S. Geological Survey Team in Saudi Arabia, October 1943, to confirm oil discoveries in preparation for the Cairo Conference. He was assigned to special duties at the Cairo Conference and the Tehran Conference November-December 1943. He flew Chiang Kai-shek's Chinese delegation (T. V. Soong's delegates) to Tehran.

An important mission he was involved in was the evacuation of the British commandos made famous by the novel Guns of Navaroneinvolved in the Battle of Leros from Leros to Palestine. In 1945 he transferred to Southwest Pacific and flew in New Guinea, Leyte and was on Okinawa at the end of war. He landed near Tokyo at the time of their surrender with the first three planes carrying GeneralDouglas MacArthur's bodyguard troops. He flew out with American POWs.

[edit]Post-War Years

Between 1946-49 he was assigned by the U.S. Army to Yale University, where he also taught, to begin the first USAF ROTC program. From 1950-52 he transferred to Colorado Springs to establish Air Defense Command. From 1952-54 he was assigned to Korean War duties in Japan where he served as Military Manager for Tokyo International Airport (Haneda) during the US Occupation.

From 1955-1964 he was assigned to U.S. Air Force Headquarters where he directed the creation of an Air Force worldwide system for "Military Support of the Clandestine Operations of the CIA", as required by a new National Security Council Directive, 5412 of March, 1954. As a result of a CIA Commendation for this work he was awarded the Legion of Merit by the US Air Force, and was promoted to Colonel being assigned to the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

With the creation of the Defense Intelligence Agency by Secretary McNamara and the abolishment of the OSO, he was transferred to the Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to create a similar, worldwide office and was the Chief of Special Operations, with the Joint Staff all during 1962-1963. He received orders to travel as the Military Escort officer for a group of VIPs who were being flown to the South Pole, November 10-November 28, 1963, to activate a Nuclear Power plant for heat, light and sea water desalination at the United States Navy Base at McMurdo Sound, Antarctica.

Retiring as a Colonel in the U.S. Air Force in 1964 he was awarded one of the first three Joint Chiefs of Staff Commendation Medals by General Maxwell D. Taylor, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff.

[edit]Post Retirement

He was a Senior Director of Public Affairs for Amtrak during the 1970s, and a director of the National Railroad Foundation and Museum. Prouty authored books including The Secret Team: The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World,JFK: The CIA, Vietnam and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy and numerous articles on railroads including the entries on Railroad Engineering and Foreign Railroad Technology for McGraw-Hill's encyclopedias.

Prouty served as an advisor to Oliver Stone's movie JFK and was the inspiration for the mysterious "X", played by Donald Sutherland, who assists Jim Garrison in the movie. Although that scene was fiction, Garrison and Prouty did meet in person some years after the events depicted in the film.[citation needed]

[edit]Controversial Claims

As a critic of the CIA, Prouty pointed out its influence in global matters, outside the realm of U.S. congressional and government oversight. His works detail the formation and development of the CIA, the origins of the Cold War, the U-2 incident, the Vietnam War, and the John F. Kennedy assassination. Prouty's book JFK claims that these events are proof of a secret "global elite" at work.

[johnaa]

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ATbhCUZxjQ&feature=player_embedded

An interview of Prouty discussing photos of Ed Lansdale's in Dealey Plaza 11-22-63.

[Canuck_2]

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@Samnospam wrote:

Yes, look up Vietnam, korea, Gerenda, etc.  Then look all all the little wars post 1945 the US was not involved in.  Then do like I said and compare it to the world 1880-1945.  Try being honest, there is no comparison.

I'll be clear, I do not think the USA should police the world, but people that think that nations would be coexist in some peaceful bliss if it were not for the USA are ignorant of history.   The only times of extensive peace in this worlds history  are periods of some bully forcing the peace, and those have been few and far between.

So you're saying that if Russia drills on territory Canada claims that Canada will do nothing?

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First I am sure you know that it is not just Russia making claims in the Arctic so why do you assume it would be Russia 'drilling' on land Canada also claims.

Heck maybe Russia is entitled to the claim.

There are international rules and courts to sort out the correct legal owners That is what Canada would do.

Just as we are now pursuing corrective action through the courts of illegal trade barriers set up by your country.

[Samnospam]

Because Russia has been particularly aggressive in staking claim there.   I was wondering how passive Canada would be about pursuing its claims there.

Can you buy American fresh milk in Canada?