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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

The Dakota 38

The Mankato city council, in their "wisdom" (petition)want to have the Dakota 38 pardoned

http://www.startribune.com/local/251793551.html       here`s the wiki history on the massacre

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_War_of_1862  

 

and a similar incident occured at Spirit Lake Iowa about 5 years prior, here are some of that brutal details   http://iagenweb.org/history/soi/soi21.htm   

 

I imagine that there are enough dumbed down people that will sign the Dakata 38 petition, however these matters being dredged up do no good.  The reason that this country has been so great is it`s ability to consider these matters settled and to move on.  The was a clear winner between the Cowboys and Indians and the Cowboys won, there was brutality on both sides, but the Cowboy took a Lakota Sioux bride and they rode off into the sunset.

 

There are all kinds of these issues that continue to divide this country.  Take a look at Israel and the Palestinian situation, there never was a clear winner and they have never known peace over there and probably never will.  In this country`s Indian wars, there was a clear winner, now some want those wars "refought".

 

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Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: The Dakota 38

I have been to the site in Okoboji/Spirit Lake where the cabin and historical marker are located, and read about the massacre there that encouraged the MN sioux that white people were too lazy and nonviolent to fight back. Without the massacre there, with basically no repercussions, we probably don't have the Mn Sioux uprising. So much for turning the other cheek.

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: The Dakota 38

The winners always are ready to move on, and Americans have so far been lucky enough to be on the winning side.

 

If your culture was destroyed, your family starving and your future non existent you might not be so interested in moving on.

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: The Dakota 38

Look at the Indians, they did some awfully brutal things to some very pacifist settlers, when you read those accounts it`s easy to see how even the most mellow Quaker would adapt the policy of "the only good Indian is a dead Indian".

 

There was tragedies on both sides and there are probably very few full-blooded Indians left these days.  They have moved on, the Indian fighters inner-married into Indian culture and the great grandkids today are 3/4 of one and 1/4 of another.

 

But, this history revision, long after the witnesses and evidence is long gone serves no purpose other than further divide the country.  Look at neo-nazis, they lost however movements are very active in Europe even though they are supposely illegal. 

 

Around here on a county level people still feud about where in the county that the courthouse was located.  Towns that are on the edge of a county but happened to be by a river or railroad tracks got the courthouse  150 years ago.  Yet people that are ancestors are still bitter that their barren, trainless, riverless town didn`t get the courthouse.  People get hung up on the damnest things, looking for excuses that their town wasn`t as prosperous because they didn`t get the courthouse.  Smiley Happy 

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: The Dakota 38

Really hard to compare the tragedies the settlers suffered with being exterminated.
r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: The Dakota 38


@Samnospam wrote:
Really hard to compare the tragedies the settlers suffered with being exterminated.

The Indians had warriors before they ever saw a white man. They had those warriors for a reason.

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: The Dakota 38

Certainly.   The Iroquois exterminated the Erie.   But the victor needs to show some understanding, compassion and humility.   Regret maybe too.   Someday someone else's drones may be more powerful than yours and karma might bite you in the ass.

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: The Dakota 38

Sam, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the day that America lacks the wherewithall to defend the "homeland" is the day that most of us perish, despite any bowing that Bama and Slow Joe may have done around the world. Humility and compassion, along with $1, will get you a cheap cup of coffee.

 

If you do not recognize this, you are foolish. I think that you intrinsically do.

 

What is going on in Crimea is a wakeup call, and one that is not for an old lady to be answering at 3AM in the morning. It is a real game changer for 2016, in my opinion, and beyond. I would imagine that cool heads are already thinking of legislative ways to remove Bama from power before 2016 as that seems like an eternity away.

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: The Dakota 38

I`m only saying this tongue in cheek, but we should be so lucky if our new world order overlords treat us as well as the white man treated the Indians....free hunting and fishing licenses, with no seasons, monopoly run casinos.  But I wouldn`t hold my breath on that Smiley Happy

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: The Dakota 38

Perhaps, you know the Germans in 1945 learned how bad it is when their where with all to defend the homeland was exhausted. Death, rape and misery visited upon them. No one felt very sorry for them. The natives on this continent had death, starvation, complete loss of culture visited upon them, but I think most now feel regretful about that. The difference between the natives and those Germans? The Germans had it coming.