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The Deep State

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/22075-anatomy-of-the-deep-state

 

This has been around various places, you may have seen it.

 

Thinking about the outrage about state surveillance, opinion management etc. which is in fact outrageous. The rudiments of all of that stuff had been in place for a long time, and slowly metastacizing, but post 9/11 the Deep State staged a coup against the constitution and has done nothing but consolidate control since.  For most here, that really wasn't a problem when Karl Rove assured them that there would be a permanent Republican majority (good folks at the reins) but nobody really thought about the possibility that a Kenyan socialist muslim would get elected president.

 

Which is kinda what constitutional government is about.

 

I am reaching a Starve the Beast point on the matter. Although I have to wonder if all good patriots are really ready for the degree of deprivation from the potential for financial, monetary and geopolitical turmoil that would ensue. Or what kind of contributions to a new civil society they'd be willing to make, and that's not really optional.  Unfortunately the answer that I come to is no, and no.

 

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That is a very good piece, Nox.   I disagree with him about it "not being a conspiracy", no doubt there are tag-alongs that are enriching themselves, but this is a story that has a begining, middle and planned ending and we don`t "all live happily ever after".

 

The Rightwingers that didn`t say too much about this pre-2008, really didn`t like the getting felt up at the airport and upward spike of debt fighting a war where no WMDs were found. But, how do you let go of the tiger`s tail?    0bama said it would be his first order of business having a transparent presidency and bring the troops home...meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

Now, it`s the fornicator`s day in the Sun. The owner of the candy store forgot to lock up and now it`s 9 O`clock pm and the kids are piling in, gorging themselves with all that forbiden chocolate and sugar with nary a care to the debt and loss of freedoms.

 

We are going to have to hit rock bottom as a country before we can heal.  No one wants to get off the warm easy chair yet.  Might as well get comfortable, we got a long wait ahead  Smiley Happy

 

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Good companion piece

The only magazine that we ever received here that didn't eventually find it's way, if not into the recycling bin or the trash, into one of those many boxes on shelves back in the catacombs in the attic is my treasured August 1996 issue of Harper's Magazine, which sits out in plain site and contained this:

 

http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/gned/lapham_lights96.pdf

 

Laced with Lapham's usual wit and mild sarcasm, he refers to the "permanent government" and how we go about with our perpetual sanctioning of same.

 

 

 

 

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'I am reaching a Starve the Beast point on the matter.'

 

Welcome aboard.

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 That may be the only practical and sanity saving solution there is guys. 

 

We just returned form our first mini-snowbird experience, having spent 5 days with birder relatives in "The Valley" of SE Texas.  One huge sprawl of highways and resuraunts and schools and people and homes (loosely in teh case of thousands of them) of every possible description.  The only thing I really came away with is that when the gas and diesel runs out or becomes expensive enough that only a handful can access it, much less afford it, that at least those who find  themselves rooted there won't freeze to death.

 

Was actually impressed to some degree with how "things run' down there in some ways.  Local politics are strong in the vacuum creted by the non-acti**bleep**t state government. They are also exceedingly corrupt and immensely  profitable for those able to get themselves elected. But stuff get run and done, albeit most likely in the manner of Il Duche, but nonetheless done. And was interested to find that that the school districts aren't run as they are up here with finaincing set up by and collected by county  governments and passed along, but rather are provided with taxing authority.  Sort of like a Watershed District would be in some states. And that the people running and working in the schools try very very hard at succeeding.

 

Whatever....this thing that BA ays (ala Jim Kunslter) is just a sit and wait deal is going to continue run for a while.  And run like it pretty much  has been running.  But somebody has to figure out a way to manage energy and stay hard at it.  Chances are that all of the poitically charged (or indifferent until gored)  from the differerent poles among the whole of us aren't going to approve of how that is done.  But then, from evidece in the piece nox put up, won't really have dam ned thing we can do about it.

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Here's the deal, though.

 

The Confederacy is an imperfect analogy, but worth considering. If you asked the survivors of the war, people wjho lost people or just suffered the deprivation most would say that the Noble Cause was worth it and the grievances just too great to endure. The costs were already sunk anyway, and that view endures in culture to the present.

 

But had you let them see the future at the time the decision was made (not that the average non-slave holding white person probably had much say) many would have thought a bit differently.

 

The better point of all of that is the civil society question- the fabric of that society had very little to contribute to the effort and it remained a third world country until Yankee taxes and bond issuance started rebuilding it after more than half a century.

 

One essential facet is money and banking. There will be a savage reset of a lot of things financial sould the Fed/primary dealer system be unwound and the dollar lose reserve currency status and/or a ruinous debt deflation follows a sharp fiscal contraction. Gold or bitcoin aren't a large part of the answer, its actually going to take some serious thinking and public consensus. Otherwise a whole lot of wig and musket guys are going to end up barefoot in the snow too.

 

The question that I ask myself as much as I posit it to others is, so in a severe financial and social reset, how do I contribute to the rebuilding of a better society?  Which I have a hard time answering, I think most others will too. And I've stricken the sheer Randian "I'll take care of my own business" answer if for no other reason than it is sort of oxymoronic from those wearing the wigs and breeches because that wasn't what that ever was about.

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IMO the worst case scenario in both acting to remove consent and continuing with consent are almost identical.  The financial reset is already baked in given either path,  but a totalitarian nightmare is only guaranteed by continuing our current path.  IMO.  

 

I'm afraid we'd disagree on what constitutes a civil society.

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`how do I contribute to a better society?`

It`s all about local communities, the volunteer EMTs, firemen, sheriff reserves and the small local stores...shop locally, eat at local cafes and tip your waiteresses well. Donate to school programs, that is where the next leaders will come from.

 

I don`t think that the answer is in the ballot box, the national one anyway, if we slipped a Ron Paul past the Bilderberg goalie, he would end up like JFK.   On the national stage, my advice is to vote for the candidate that has the highest NRA rating...when you get right down to it, that`s all that really matters.

 

Politicans at the local level are the only one`s that can really improve the quality of life, that`s why the only politicians that I send money to are the local ones.  The more moral and the better your local community is the easier it will be to rebuild when that day comes. 

 

i remember the folks cussing Elenore Roosevelt for smoking and getting women that wanted to copy her also hooked on cigs.  Well, the same could be said about the 2012 election, think of a president as wanting to date your daughter.  You have Mitt Romney self-made, hard worker, moral, decent and neat......on the otherhand you have a member of the "Choom gang" who like to "shoot hoop" only employment has been on the public dole...well America choose the Choom gang member to lead the free world ...what the HELL happened???  Just a hundered short years ago a great man Teddy Roosevelt was our president, enacted tariffs, was a trust buster...we went from that to...this  WTF???

 

No, until you see whores like Sandra Fluke gainfully employed scrubbing toilets, that`s how far down we have to go...don`t expect things to get better anytime soon.

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Re: The Deep State

You can beat a good dose of fiction to get you focused on reality. Kenyan black Muslim!!!! Pluck that must hurt you zombies.