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gough whitlam
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Taylor ECIL Senior Contributor
7:51 AM
Does Austraila have a tiered minimum wage? If so how does it work?
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Every classification has a minimum wage and it is double what you have except if you work for maccas or the like where slaves are employed.

Our country has moved on from the rich classifying who the poor shall be. The unions put a stop to that. You don't prance around like a slave owner, cracking a whip on the back of the blacks, designating what to pay them out of the goodness of your heart. You pay what the award says or above or you will be prosecuted. By relevant authority.

That is how you stop having a pool of wretched poor people who contribute nothing to society. Exactly what is happening in your country. It is caused by the rich refusing to give the poor enough to live like human beings. So much for your Christian beliefs.

What is a problem there is the extreme right wing attitude of people who think they are super rich and vote republican. Take craig for instance. His is gainfully employed and good on him but to vote republican when he is basically working class on a pathetic income is absurd. It is those type who develop an attitude of superiority when they are exactly same. It doesn't add up.

Without active unions it will never change for the better while the propaganda of evil communists union gets soaked up by a sponge like brain of republican idiots. But that is your choice.
Taylor ECIL
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Why so much vitriol from a simple question. I was interested in your system, not your attitude.

gough whitlam
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If your question was innocent (which I suspect it wasn't) and if my answer was taken as vitriolic, for that, I apologise to you.

The problem is there is so much xenophobic inspired ignorance of other nations from so many on here. While your question might have been innocent so many would have mumbled to themselves "who gives a rats what happens in oz".

My explanation to you was accurate for the most part. Your system of "them and us" still exists big time. You only have to examine some of the racist pompous ignorant posts by some who have an elevated opinion of themselves. But in reality they are working class Neville Nobody's going no where. It is the Internet and their ability to tap a letter which gives them the anonymity to froth at the mouth at the chance to demonstrate further ignorance.

There is no doubt only mind that the system we have to reward labor is far greater than yours which has hatred for working class intertwined with deliberate segregation to keep it so. If that combined with the unwillingness by wanna be capitalists to change, the disunity of your people will never. The measure of a country is not the massive wealth held by a few but how a government brings the underprivileged along with the rest of society for the betterment of the economy as a whole. That does not happen in your country.

Thank you for asking.
Taylor ECIL
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Are the classifications like job groups? Say pipelayer vs fry cook? Is there an age seperation c;ass? Say from 16-20, 21-25 etc?

r3020
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What is the minimum wage of government employees? Do doctors get paid more than firefighters? What about police? School teachers?

gough whitlam
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The point I am making is the wages are set at a minimum to begin with but very few people take or get it. In the case of professionals say, a plumber would not take less than 50 per hour on wages. His offsider shovelling sh it would not start for less than 25 plus.

This country progressed exponentially after the sharers strike of the early 1900's when they refused to work without decent compensation. Basic awards came immediately and improved ever since. I also want to add my grandfather spent 3 days in prison with his colleagues for opposing
the disgusting conditions at the time. For that I am immensely proud of him. He served his fellow very well.

Doctors get a government minimum allowance under Medicare for their service but there is still the socialist trained thieves who work outside the system, charge what they like if they can get it and usually do. You must understand anything is available under Medicare if you are prepared to wait a bit. People on pensions of any type get medicine of any type virtually for a token amount to the chemist for the government.

I know this would all be abhorrent to you capitalists but you have been weaned onto it and frightened to leave. Other services like fireman,etc are all trained by the government under that shocking "socialist" system. Surprise, surprise, just like your system. But you don't want to know that

Basically, your country with such huge poverty is more socialist than ours because of that. No modern western society cannot start or exist without it. Now, I know you won't acknowledge that but it is true even in your country. Private medicine in your country is sustained through graft and corruption at the highest levels and you suckers are paying for it.

Jobs all have a classification of course but the starting wages gives them an opportunity to live like a human not a dog. It is not regimented totally but people want something to live on not fresh and good luck. I have seen elsewhere where someone would ask advice on what to pay someone for a certain job. That is code for I don't want to pay him anything-but my conscience won't let. You guys think that is normal but that system is entrenched in the capitalist system and why you have so many unfortunate. You don't do that here or you will be in court quickly.

So, mumbling to yourselves about how we will go broke because of our generous system does not include that this country is the envy of the rest of the world because of your GFC. We owe something like 6 per cent of GDP after financing the crunch with all our benefits still in tact. Jobs have not had wage cuts or mass sackings everywhere.

Think about it if you can. THIS is the greatest country on earth by far and that includes yours. If those Mexicans could swim they would all be here.
Taylor ECIL
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Thanks for the information, I would prefer it with less attitude, but I will take what I can get.

Do you have a tiered age class or is it just job classifications. I thought I read somewhere that your government had an age class.

gough whitlam
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Of course kids starting out say 16 would not get an adult wage. They have pay which suits their skills. But those kids are most likely still at home so they are basically paid to learn something.

You know nothing of my attitude. If you want to learn about attitude examine some of the ignorant racist biased comments written on here sometimes. I am surprised when you live it every day you can't see it.

There is one guy on here that knows me well enough and I don't think he would say I have an attitude. I am sometimes wrong but never in doubt. Sometimes caustic but always sweet when delivering it.
Taylor ECIL
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Yep you and I could be friends....except for your caustic attitude when I ask question, if we lived closer. Yes, I have seen how people treat each other here, I try (and fail sometimes) to stay civil, and would like the same treatment, but don't expect it. Thanks for the info Gough, I do believe that a min wage were to be implemented it would need to follow examples of The number 1 persuading argument for an increase in min wage is inflation, and keeping up with it.

r3020
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Is 16 a living wage in Australia?