cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
KNAPPer
Senior Contributor

The Real Motivation Behind Private School Vouchers

Looks like this article hit the nail on the head. Sounds like a great Republican ideology for me. And some ask why I am a Ddemocrat as if benefits are all I am interested in......Heck, there's billions and even trillions to be made, so let's privatize schools and give vouchers instead of fix them!

 

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/11/getting_rich_off_of_schoolchildren/

26 Replies
Samnospam
Advisor

Re: The Real Motivation Behind Private School Vouchers

You really drank the koolaide on this one knap.   

 

so, is my real interest in vouchers so I can get rich off kids, or is it to try to recoup some of my tax dollars and direct it towards a better education for my children?   If you'll note from other posts I've made I could save the public considerably with a voucher that is less than half the burden rate of my children in the government school.  Why is that so offensive to you and this author.  Did you check out the bio on the author?

 

My job as a parent is to see my children get the best education possible.  It is not to assure other peoples jobs.  It is not to support a consituency or a political party.   it is not on my agenda to have my children used as guinea pigs in fixing the government schools.   

 

 

wehav
Senior Contributor

Re: The Real Motivation Behind Private School Vouchers

I got as far as middling wages when I knew it was crap.

 

I've a child that is Phi Beta Kappa, graduated Summa **bleep** Laude in engineering from a top school.  He works 5 days a week and gets 2 weeks vacation.  He makes a some over $50,000.  He is a senior staff engineer at a top company. 

 

When I look at our teachers wages in our community and see a kindergarten teacher making the same money for 180 days of baby sitting I'm pissed at the very utterance of middling wages.

 

Most of these teachers aren't qualified to teach and certainly wouldn't be of any value in the corporate world.   They have no real education other than how to stand in front of a bunch of uninterested kids and follow a curriculum set by either a government or some other socialist group such as the NEA.

 

Even the goof ball president admits only 77% of students graduate and the inability to read and comprehend is as high as 80% in some systems.  Public education is a bottomless pit that we dump money into without requiring and return. 

 

 

wehav
Senior Contributor

Re: The Real Motivation Behind Private School Vouchers

Oh, that's cute.  It bleeped out the word come spelled as it is proper for Summa C um   Laude.

Another brilliant example of education. 

GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: The Real Motivation Behind Private School Vouchers

Who does he credit for making him bright enough to graduate, SummaCumLaude? YOU?

God, your post is so damn3d stupid I can hardly read it!

KNAPPer
Senior Contributor

Re: The Real Motivation Behind Private School Vouchers

I don't think the article was so much about parents motives, but more about the motivations of the drivers/lobby behind the idea that stand to benefit financially and the lack of knowledge about this subject. I don't recall a parent's view being mentioned and come to think of it, that would definitely be a flaw with such an article because business can create anything they want, but there has to be a demand for it to succeed. Good news always contains the view of opposing sides and this article was lacking in that area. It also left out the religious reason some parents want to send their children to parochial schools.

 

Here's what I don't want to see. I don't want to see funding for public schools gutted by mass middle class and upper middle class flight out of public schools through vouchers to be used at private and parochial schools. Who would be left in public schools if that happened and how good would be their education? I would be all for it IF the voucher would pay well enough for lower income people to be able send their kids to the same schools with vouchers. Do away with public schools all together if you wish as long as the poor kids can go to school with the well off kids and race is not made exclusive at any school. I have questions about paying for kids to go to religious schools with my taxes.

 

You have some good points. If this change to a voucher system does happen, I don't want it to be because some corporation that can pay to lobby a bill wants to put a laptop computer in the hands of every kid or a sat link screen in every classroom under the guise of improvement. Nonetheless as you have said, the popularity is more grass roots level but I worry about big money influence on the politicians.

KNAPPer
Senior Contributor

Re: The Real Motivation Behind Private School Vouchers

If all schools were private and none public, you'd say the same thing because you don't really like any teachers public or private and you see no need for schools except the ABCs and math. Let's start shutting down school during cotton pickin' time like in the old days. I tell you what, where I work we do some education. School kids come here sometimes to see the place for periods of about four or five hours at a time. We teach them on our subjects and they go back to school. I'll tell you one thing, you couldn't pay be enough to do 180 days a year even with holiday breaks and summer. I'm worn out after an hour as is everyone else.

 

By the way, schools may have some operations like a business, but they are not the same thing unless you want to turn a school into a factory using child labor. I suppose if they did that, you'd gladly pay the teacher 50K.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: The Real Motivation Behind Private School Vouchers


@KNAPPer wrote:

Looks like this article hit the nail on the head. Sounds like a great Republican ideology for me. And some ask why I am a Ddemocrat as if benefits are all I am interested in......Heck, there's billions and even trillions to be made, so let's privatize schools and give vouchers instead of fix them!

 

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/11/getting_rich_off_of_schoolchildren/


The reason for the current government monopoly of education is to insure a permanent underclass of uneducated from which votes can be purchased at a steep discount.

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: The Real Motivation Behind Private School Vouchers

The ones that would benefit the most by vouchers are poor kids with parents that care enough to seek out what is best for their kids.

 

The upper middle class already have their kids in private schools or in public schools in exclusive neighborhoods.

 

Since my kids are in school I talk to teachers pretty often and they aren't very happy with the state of the schools right now either. I think they would be happier if they themselves had to take a yearly proficiency test rather than spending their year concentrating on a few kids that will have trouble with the test.

 

Everything is about the test, everything. They take practice tests, they identify who has problems in what areas and then that is what the teachers must focus on. If you're a smart kid who they know will do well, you might as well be invisible.

 

Its not the individual teachers fault, that is the hand they are dealt.

 

So you've got a system where half the class is on the honor roll, cause you want the parents happy, but their kids aren't actually learning much. When you were in school did half of the kids get all A's and B's? In my kids classes they do. When my kids have a regular test (not the school performance test) the teachers let them look up the answers in the book. Why wouldn't they get an A? You see those kids don't matter. They know they will pass the state proficency test and for the school itself that is what all their rewards ride on.

cotman03
Senior Contributor

Re: The Real Motivation Behind Private School Vouchers

Hits the nail on the head?!?  Salon.com?  Come on....    When it comes to kids, parents who really care about their education won't send their kids to a school that has only profit in mind with a voucher.  This is private business you are talking about here, not government.  Private business will do well if the product it provides meets the needs of it's customers.  Public school for the most part has a captive audience in that the government tells kids where they have to go to school.  Doesn't matter if that school is failing it's students or not.  The very kids you want to see not left behind are getting a second rate education in public school in which they have access. A voucher to go to a school of their choice might be a great alternative to them.   Why not try something different?  If the private school provides a much better education and happens to make a little money because of it, is that a bad thing?  H*ll no!