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Re: The Senate just held a vote on detention UPDATE: A commenter points out that, according to Senator Carl Levin, it was the Obama administration which told Congress to remove the language in the original bill which exempted American citizens and lawful residents from the detention power. See the C-Span video of the debate on the floor of the Senate, at 4:43:29. This is not the Obama I caucused for in Feb. 2008.

Re: The Senate just held a vote on detention

"And how we burned in the camps later,thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more –we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
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Re: The Senate just held a vote on detention

Yeah Sam, some pretty scary stuff. Heard they had some kind of compromise yesterday afternoon but have not read anything on it yet. I'm sure it is asking toooooo much for it to be over ruled by the supreme court. There are just not enough elections to get the power crazed maniacs out of office.

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Re: The Senate just held a vote on detention

Ronnie was my last cross over vote, haven't been sorry since, and the way these (Repbulican's?) are going, it's going to be a long time again!

Whew!! At least I haven't got that on my conscience..

Never of President. But the best Governors here in Mn over my adult life have been Republicans. My state Senator and Representative are Republicans and I've voted for them. Will not again as they have gone along with the new set of social and cultural conservatives who gained majorrties in both houses for the GOP in 2010 and have been a disaster.


They are both historical moderates who didn't stand up to the bullies when they had the chance..

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Re: Whew!! At least I haven't got that on my conscience..

Last time I voted for a repub in the presidential election was raygun's first term and don't see anything in this bunch to make me want to do it again.  Have voted for some repubs locally but not lately as they all seem to be holier than thou and I don't like that much arrogance.

Full confession.....

regarding when I said:



"If so, then the orders start coming down from on high."


Looking at this I was probably wrong. Or more likely right, but for the wrong reason(s)




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Re: Full confession.....

If is correct it yet another case of no "change."    As I have said many times before it is easy for presidential candidates to make promises and play Monday morning quarterback but far different when they are sitting in the oval office with a sign on their desk that says the buck stops here.