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The liberal mindset--Why bigger government

Because government can do what capitalism fails to do. Examples: The TVA, the Hoover dam, The REA. In interstate highway system. The power grids. The locks and dams both local and in panama. Student loans, Alternative energy development.

 

Most of those things are high dollar and high risk ventures but worthy of doing. The capitalist can't do these things because they are not assured of profit. Thus if you think costly or risky ventures should not be done, then you are probably a republican. That is the main difference in that republicans think that an activity cannot fatten a capitalists pocket, it isn't worth doing.

 

Yes Health care cost money as does dams bridges and interstate highways. Also student loans fall into that category. But these are an investment in america. Investment in our younger people and infrastructure that yields great benefitsin the long term.

 

Now  ask you while you ponder the cost of unemployment compensation, Have you cobsidered how long a free loader would have to collect unemployment compensation to harves that $400K or $500K that you have harvested out of the usda's direct payments. You know who you are but then you still feel a great deal of superiority over those that have drawn much much less.

 

You have been blessed with huge subsidy payments. Some with enough to buy a farm, yet you can only see the gov't money vaporizing instead of the value it adds to our community. The big flaw is the haves do not want to pay the bill inspite of benefiting from decades of government charity. In fact charitable healthcare has been ahuge burden on government assets. ACA is an attempt to lessen those charitable expenditures. The ones that gov't makes. Instead of gov't paying it all the beneficiaries contribute a share according to there ability.

 

You don't want to hire people. You don't want to pay them enough and you don't want to give them benefits. And then you complain because they don't contribute to the revenue stream. Many of us have contributed to the tax roles for several decades. WE have financed government with our contributions. Even from our retirment portfolio (SS). Now those that follow us do not want their turn in the harness. They want to kill the social programs because they blame them for their poor fiscal performance. They think that without those pesky taxes they would own another thousand acres. When in fact they lack the intellect and the managment ability to compete in this capitalist society. Thus the blame the poor and the dems for their none to stellar progress. It's our fault they don't amount to a hill of beans. That's just the way it is!

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Re: The liberal mindset--Why bigger government


@kraft-t wrote:

Because government can do what capitalism fails to do. Examples: The TVA, the Hoover dam, The REA. In interstate highway system. The power grids. The locks and dams both local and in panama. Student loans, Alternative energy development.

 

Most of those things are high dollar and high risk ventures but worthy of doing. The capitalist can't do these things because they are not assured of profit. Thus if you think costly or risky ventures should not be done, then you are probably a republican. That is the main difference in that republicans think that an activity cannot fatten a capitalists pocket, it isn't worth doing.

 

Yes Health care cost money as does dams bridges and interstate highways. Also student loans fall into that category. But these are an investment in america. Investment in our younger people and infrastructure that yields great benefitsin the long term.

 

Now  ask you while you ponder the cost of unemployment compensation, Have you cobsidered how long a free loader would have to collect unemployment compensation to harves that $400K or $500K that you have harvested out of the usda's direct payments. You know who you are but then you still feel a great deal of superiority over those that have drawn much much less.

 

You have been blessed with huge subsidy payments. Some with enough to buy a farm, yet you can only see the gov't money vaporizing instead of the value it adds to our community. The big flaw is the haves do not want to pay the bill inspite of benefiting from decades of government charity. In fact charitable healthcare has been ahuge burden on government assets. ACA is an attempt to lessen those charitable expenditures. The ones that gov't makes. Instead of gov't paying it all the beneficiaries contribute a share according to there ability.

 

You don't want to hire people. You don't want to pay them enough and you don't want to give them benefits. And then you complain because they don't contribute to the revenue stream. Many of us have contributed to the tax roles for several decades. WE have financed government with our contributions. Even from our retirment portfolio (SS). Now those that follow us do not want their turn in the harness. They want to kill the social programs because they blame them for their poor fiscal performance. They think that without those pesky taxes they would own another thousand acres. When in fact they lack the intellect and the managment ability to compete in this capitalist society. Thus the blame the poor and the dems for their none to stellar progress. It's our fault they don't amount to a hill of beans. That's just the way it is!


Detroit.

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Re: The liberal mindset--Why bigger government

That, turdy, was to stupid for words! My god, you are pathetic!

Senior Contributor

Re: The liberal mindset--Why bigger government

Good old socialism ay. They all hate it on here but love to take the benefits. Hypocrites again I am sorry to say.
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Re: The liberal mindset--Why bigger government

Here's a thought.   The vast majority of those 'good' things you mentioned, all happened when the government was SMALLER.

 

You mentioned the TVA, and Hoover Dam, and the REA, done at a time when we had 'less' government.

Now that we have 'more' government, they are dynamiting dams (because of some fish), shutting down windmill farms (killed some birds in California), are abandoning a partially to mostly built solar farm (found a lizard in the desert), and they aren't even giving permission for a pipeline to get built, with private money (If safety is a concern, why not just have government inspectors oversee the project - can you give me a reason you wouldn't trust the government to do that?)


The Panama locks were built in a time of 'smaller' government.   Why is it, now that the government is 'bigger' do we turn it over as a big gift to another country?

 

I agree, that a part of the problem, is the rich getting special tax breaks, but what about wasteful spending?   I have repeatedly linked to a CBO audit, that points out KNOWN waste, fraud, and un-necessary duplication, to the tune of almost half last year's deficit, yet nothing seems to be done about it.   Instead, just a continual drumbeat of 'make this person pay more', or 'make that person pay more', because they aren't paying 'their fair share' because of special interest tax breaks.   However, why is it, the people saying that, never seem to notice that if you vote R, there are a bunch of special interests that get tax breaks, but if you vote D, all you get is the special tax breaks shifted to someone else?

 

Also, I wouldn't brag too much about how your generation has financed the government.  The debt is bad enough, but on top of that, us younger people have been left with unfunded mandates, that make the current debt look like peanuts.  Adding more to that burdeon, will just leave us with more Detroits.