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The peace loving left.

Well Mr. Kraft, here is your answer as to when the arab type spring comes to America. Gabby Giffords must be sooooooo proud.

 

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_...

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Re: The peace loving left.

Looks like we need to call them the union taliban.

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Re: The peace loving left.

I agree with Hoffa. It's about time the people stood up to the corporatists and their lackeys.

 

They have declared war on labor both union and private. It's time to fight back.

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Re: The peace loving left.

No one has declared war on the labor unions. The tax payers have demanded different management negotiator contracts with the public sector employees. Ojimmy Bin Hoffa and the union taliban are the ones that have declared war on the American tax payer and has called on his members to take out the tea party.

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Re: The peace loving left.

Unions have a place...just not in public government. And employers should always have the right to hire non-union workers, too.

 

If unions bring value to the table, their members will be rewarded. If they only bring threats of violence and mischief, they should be treated like common criminals.

 

Felt the same way towards the NFO when they were up to their illegal activities, such as shooting at bulk milk truck drivers during the milk strike.

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Re: need more concrete booties

like the last hoffa is wearing--hoffa and his union thugs dont know they already lost the war and now he just wants to rip off americans for more money to buy obamoite votes--it is high time the unions realize they priced themselves out of jobs and their union brethren are in pens all across america for stealing the members money---wonder why he omitted that part of his war

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Re: i agree 100%

no union worker is making money for his employers that is the reason jobs are going over seas --it is just union people are too dumb to see it

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Re: The peace loving left.

Where does anyone see a call for violence, taliban like or just good old fashioned church bombing or doctor shooting like in what hoffa said. It's a metaphorical call to action. To political battle, as it were. Nothing more or less. And a welcome one at that in front of the president who more and more by the day has morphed into bush the 3rd. I doubt that he took any heed in it at all and would be quite confident that the corporatist lackeys who make up his staff and advisory team got the word quickly to hoffa that they'd have no more of that sort of populist s++t.
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Re: Is This Where You Are At?


@bruce MN wrote:
Where does anyone see a call for violence, taliban like or just good old fashioned church bombing or doctor shooting like in what hoffa said. It's a metaphorical call to action. To political battle, as it were. Nothing more or less. And a welcome one at that in front of the president who more and more by the day has morphed into bush the 3rd. I doubt that he took any heed in it at all and would be quite confident that the corporatist lackeys who make up his staff and advisory team got the word quickly to hoffa that they'd have no more of that sort of populist s++t.

 

Not everybody is on same page

 

Let me begin with the obvious: the left (organized and unorganized) has seldom been of one mind. Differences over aims, strategy, tactics, programmatic demands, forms of struggle, etc. have been commonplace.

This moment is no different. In fact, I would argue that two distinct and competing trends have taken shape in the course of the first year of the Obama presidency.

One trend stakes out a left position on every issue, resists compromise, believes that the Democratic Party has no democratic/reform potential, pays little attention to right-wing extremism in its strategic and tactical thinking, and reduces President Obama to nothing but a puppet of Wall Street.

This trend turns criticism of the Obama administration into a measure of one's militancy. The sharper the tone the more legitimate one's left credentials. The main, if not the only, thing holding up far-reaching political and economic reforms, in the eyes of this trend, is the president. Somehow, in this rendition of the political moment, the interaction and struggle between (and within) competing political coalitions/blocs composed of various class and social groupings has no or minimal bearing on the process of change since the 2008 elections. In short, the class struggle in all its complexity is both simplified and invisible.

This same trend "damns with faint praise" the new currents, thinking and initiatives in labor and people's organizations, while it narrowly defines political independence as only electoral formations outside the two-party system. It acts as if militant minorities and moral outrage can reshape the political landscape alone, forgetting that popular majorities in the end make history.

Finally, this trend places an outsize accent on left initiative and unity, but detached from broader forms of unity and struggle.

The other trend on the left argues that the 2008 elections reset the political terrain to the advantage of working people and their allies.

While the Obama administration is not above criticism, this trend believes that criticism should be constructive and unifying, not a test of one's radicalism.

The main role of the left, according to this trend, isn't simply agitational - talking points, sound bites and militant slogans. Political agitation has an important place in class and democratic struggles, but only to the degree that the left is involved in day-to-day struggles in a sustained, practical and non-sectarian way.

In 2008, a broad people's movement was instrumental in electing Obama and a Democratic majority in Congress. Since then, however, it hasn't reached the same level and scale of activity. Without reassembling this coalition, progress will be largely unrealized.

This trend embraces left demands, but it embraces broader demands as well that masses of people are ready to fight for. It doesn't counterpose one against the other. Instead, it sees broader mass demands as a highway that has to be traveled to win more progressive and radical changes.

In a similar vein, compromise isn't a dirty word in this view. Instead, whether and when one makes compromises depends on a very sober estimate of the balance of class and social forces.

This trend understands as well that its task is not only to unite a broad multi-class coalition in the current phase of struggle, but also to assist the working class and its core allies to impress their unmistakable stamp on the struggle for reforms.

Unlike the other trend that shoehorns Obama into a tightly sealed political shell with little or no political potential, this trend believes he has a role, a potentially major one, to play at this juncture of the class struggle.

By the same token, it strongly rejects the notion that the task of the left is to reconfigure the struggle into a contest of the people's movement against President Obama.

This trend supports left unity, but insists that practical involvement with broader movements and coalitions and some rough agreement on strategic orientation among left groups are a necessary condition for such unity.

Finally, an independent, labor-based people's party is a strategic necessity in the view of this trend, but it doesn't see such a formation on the short horizon. In the meantime, it supports struggles for political independence (which take many forms) both within and outside of the Democratic Party.

No individual, organization or social movement on the left fits neatly into one or the other trend outlined above. Life is always more complicated than broad generalizations. Nevertheless, these two trends are taking more definitive form and the future of the left and its place in U.S. politics, in my opinion, hinges on which trend becomes dominant. I think it is obvious where I stand.

 http://peoplesworld.org/not-everybody-is-on-same-page

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Re: The peace loving left.

Felt the same way towards the NFO when they were up to their illegal activities, such as shooting at bulk milk truck drivers during the milk strike.

Hey, pal. I was a part of that movement, and what you have discribed was a damned lie. Unless you have proof of illegal activities, I suggest you appologize. Nothing like that happened in anything I was a part of. The NFO saved a lot of farmers from the auction block, they did a lot more good than harm.