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Honored Advisor

Re: This might outdraw The Super Bowl

I welcome an open discussion and debate, i`m only telling you that the mainstream media already has their mind made up that we should move towards some sort of "Australian gun confiscation/distruction" policy and Rothschild, Soros, Tom Steyer and the rest of the pupeteers also feel the same way. 

 

The mainstream media would interpret the aftermath of a gun debate and "Golllleee shazam sargent Carter! Looks like Obama won that debate"  .  Freedom haters such as the Huff-Po, Media Matters and Talking Points Memo would run some very predictable "Fact checks" that are really thinly disguised opinion pushes. 

 

A debate would only polarize both sides even more, the very few Low-Infos that are still sitting on the fence about the gun issue would probably fall over to the side of gun confiscation after their trusted George Stenphanopolus and Brian Williams weighs in with their scripted opinions.

 

I would just like Obama to say exactly what more gun legizlation that he thinks would stop any of the mass shootings.  If it`s "throw more money towards mental health" I could agree with that and that is something that both sides should do since we all agree on that.  However, all that "feel good" magazine capacity bans and stuff like that wouldn`t have stopped anything and is only a camels nose in the tent.  If Obama said what he really wants, a Australian gun confiscation, that would turn the heat up on the frogs in the water pot too quickly and they would be apt to jump out.

Veteran Advisor

Re: This might outdraw The Super Bowl

You righties always come back, in various forms, to the old "...only criminals will have guns!" Why is it that you can't explain why these hardened criminals are NOT the ones shooting up schools, etc????? Yet you don't want something to try to put a stop to the wackos!!!
Honored Advisor

Re: This might outdraw The Super Bowl

On the anti-gun side what you have are people that want Americans disarmed...period, saving victims of violence is secondary at best.  They are shamelessly exploiting these tragedies to further the goal of disarming Americans with a very simplistic "solution" to a very complex problem.

 

The way it appears in statistics, about 300 evil/nutty people that would commit mass shootings somehow slip through the cracks.  And to put that in perspective in a country of over 300 million people, less than 300 slip through the safeguards that are in place...literally LESS than 1 in 1 million.  How you can have a so-called free society, yet clamp down on 1 in 1 million occurrences can not co-exist.

 

I look back at my "happy place" of 1982, we didn`t have these common mass shooting tragedies..so what are we doing different from 33 years ago?  Our food is different, our demographics are different, our future is less hopeful, parents are less involved if even there (these kids have a small armory in their bedroom and posting about how they`d like to slaughter groups of people on FaceBook)  In 1982 there was no "FaceBook".  Kids nowadays are diagonosed with ADHD and prescribed psychotropic drugs, who knows if they need it or over dose or underdose, the parents don`t seem to know or care.

 

But all these mass shootings, the perpetrators are on a suicide "mission" they don`t value their life or anyone elses lives so any law passed isn`t even a speedbump.

 

I think that PSA commercials should be ran to encourage telling the authorities if someone is posting on social media about doing violence.  Perhaps metal detectors, guards and a check-in at "high target" facilities should be in place.  And take a look at the drug problem legal and illegal...Good Lord, we`ve legalized pot in areas, a gateway drug to these harder drugs..and we think there will be less tragedies??? 

 

Also arm teachers, in seems just about every mass shooting takes place in a "gun free zone" ...see these cowards, don`t like to go where the "rabbits can shoot back".

 

 

Senior Contributor

Re: This might outdraw The Super Bowl

 

 

The latest NRA incident in Oregon is making decent people reflect even more than the Sandy Hook NRA incident....accumulative disgust.

 

 

Why not you ?

Senior Advisor

Re: This might outdraw The Super Bowl


@NewAgJudge wrote:

 

 

The latest NRA incident in Oregon is making decent people reflect even more than the Sandy Hook NRA incident....accumulative disgust.

 

 

Why not you ?


All Obama and the dems have to do is shut down the government until they get their gun control law.

Honored Advisor

The difference is

I don`t start with the premise of "how do we exploit tragedies to further the disarming of law abiding American citizens?" . 

 

I start with "What is DIFFERENT now from when we DIDN`T have the problem?".  And there are many changes from when we didn`t have the problem of mass shootings...guns have always been there, probably easier to obtain in 1982 which was of course pre-9/11.

Senior Contributor

Re: The difference is

 

Well you and the other NRA rubes say that ANY mention of gun monitoring,  restriction or even review is an " Exploitation of tragedy ".

 

How DARE they bring that up at this time, making us feel all uncomfortable and everything.

 

Meanwhile dead kids, almost everywhere. But we will defer to your discomfort.

 

 

Its like your cows getting in your neighbors corn field AGAIN and your neighbor using that single ( multiple) incident to FORCE you to fix your dammed fence !

 

How dare he ??!!!!

 

 

 

Senior Contributor

Re: The difference is

The Federal Security Services (FSB) is reporting today that an American black-Islamist terror suspect, who yesterday committed an act of mass murder in the State of Oregon (United States), had been included on a list of 87,000 “known/suspected” Islamic terrorists that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL) refused last month to accept from the Federation due to its not being “politically viable in the present atmosphere”.

According to this report, the black-Islamist terrorist who committed this act of terror, Chris Harper Mercer, had previously been indentified by electronic intelligence specialists within the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) as being an Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) adherent after he had attempted to gain passage to Syria via Turkey during the first week of September, 2015.

By the Obama regime refusing to accept this terror list from the Federation, this report continues, Mercer was able to accomplish his terror act when yesterday he killed 9 people and wounded 7 others at the Umpqua Community College prior to his being shot and killed by local US police forces.

Honored Advisor

Re: The difference is

You leftists most certainly are exploiting tragedies, when something is literally less than a 1 in 1 million occurrance, I don`t know what else you could call it other than exploiting a liberal extreme agenda based on something less likely the being hit by lightening.  Sane people don`t mold policy based on 1 in 1 million occurrances.

 

 

But here is what`s really wrong with the left`s total focus on gun confiscation, you aren`t pursuing what`s really ailing society to cure the problem.  Also do you take into account that if you would be successful in banning the law abiding people`s weapons that there would be a huge increase in crimes, violent crimes because decent people could no longer defend themselves and have to dial "911" after the fact, that is if they are still alive and the cops would come in to mop up the victim`s blood.

 

Your "cows getting out" isn`t the best analogy, but I`ll roll with it.  Okay "My cows have never been out", my neighbor`s "cows have never been out" less than 300 (mass shooters) have actually had "cows that have been out"....So don`t lecture me or the NRA or any other responsible gunowner about their "cows being out"!   Our "cows" are safely in our pastures.    Now why don`t we focus on the few evil people that can`t keep their "cows in"?

Senior Contributor

Re: The difference is

The current loosers were tippied off about this guy and they didn't listen... Does it make it their fault now?