A special flock

[BA Deere]

Hey Red    I look at someone like Don that`s did it to `em all and the easy one`s twice, probably has 700 acres of tabletop level Wright county land, raking in 2 social security checks and 2 banks at the FDIC limit...full of money.  Okay, one would ask why someone with the world by the tail like, that supports unsustainable liberalism?   Doesn`t he give a rip about his kids and grandkids?  Well the other day he let it slip a little that his kids are Republicans and he`ll "be damned if his money is going to the Republicans"...well it`s I guess like the old bumperstickers you used to see on Winnebagos "We`re spending our kids` inheritance!"  

Okay that makes sense, but doesn`t one`s family come before your politics?   The priorities that I`m familiar with is 1. God,  then family,   then country.   Perhaps to a liberal, government is "god"? and we have some true believers here.

[northnd]

Perhaps I missed it, but where did BA inject his "god" into this conversation?  It's hilarious how you throw your atheism into most conversations, as if one who believes in a God or Gods really gives a crap about your religous views.  It is also interesting that your last statement speaks to radical islamic terrorists much more succinctly than it does to someone with Christian beliefs(i.e. murdering in the name of their "god").

[BA Deere]

I think some liberals pay taxes, but they have some scam where they figure even if they send a dollar to the government, they somehow are gettiting $1.10 back, with someone else getting screwed.  You guys have built a strong coalition with some very poor people that are your poster children, for every rich liberal crying crocodile tears there is one  making money off government contracts to build them cheap housing.   There is a liberal school of thought (and I have met many liberals like this) that Democrats throw money around and when they`re in office, it`s easy to latch on to some themselves, well this is assuming that you have the tax system figured out.

But with Flint Michagan, we`re going to see more of this where liberals stupidly throw money around erecting statues and stuff, but neglect important things like safe drinking water...then when they get busted they go all the way up the chain, in that case Republican governor Snyder and blame him.  Flint was a simple case of liberals not being able to run a hotdog stand.

[BA Deere]

Athiests are totally capable of a need for revenge too, Canuck.  But I look at the whole post 9/11, the highjackers were about 17 out of the 19 Saudis...so what do we do?  of course we attack Afganistan "because that`s where they trained" and then we attack Iraq...because "what the hell as long as we`re in the neighborhood".  The trouble is Sadam was secular...oh I know "he had Rape rooms 0000000!"   well maybe, maybe not.  Sadam didn`t murder Christians and we see going on after Iraq has been "liberated".    But Afganistan, we blow up goatherders that couldn`t find the US on a map to save their life.  Every drone strike, we make a new enemy that we never had before.  Then not to be out done Hillary takes a stable Libya under Gadafy and radicals fill the vacuum, and some want that crazy wench to be president????

Now we`re finding out that the Saudi family funded the 9/11 highjackers and supported terrorism, and this was/is sealed and classified information all these years.  The Saudis are behind the whole damned mess and by acting out of revenge and ruberstamping all kinds of war spending, we are way worse than when we started.

[bruce MN]

See: Kansas and Louisiana being run the way you boys would have it. 

[Canuck_2]

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@northnd wrote:

Perhaps I missed it, but where did BA inject his "god" into this conversation?  It's hilarious how you throw your atheism into most conversations, as if one who believes in a God or Gods really gives a crap about your religous views.  It is also interesting that your last statement speaks to radical islamic terrorists much more succinctly than it does to someone with Christian beliefs(i.e. murdering in the name of their "god").

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That was aimed at your last President and his administration who were openly very religious but ignored the 'turn the other cheek' and helping others bit of their religion and decided they had to be the avengers on many innocents in a country on the other side of the world.

As in most cases of revenge the innocents are the ones to suffer not the ones who carried out the actions that those looking for revenge should be after.

[BA Deere]

Look at the money problems California has and look at the cities bankrupt or near bankrutcy that have never known a Republican mayor or councilperson.   These retirement legacy costs are unsustainable, it did in the car companies, two people retired drawing almost their same wages and one poor sap working in their stead.  There comes a point that you can`t sell cars or hire firemen at those costs.

[Canuck_2]

Yes BA everyone is capable of falling into the revenge trap.

It is too bad that the leaders of a country also fall for that and unleash modern warfare which results in the deaths of many innocents.

BTW I understood the terrorsits who flew planes into buildings were trained in the USA and I always understood that the main leader/instigator of those attacks Bin Laden was Saudi Arabian and operated with funding from his families wealth. you might just be finding that out but it was pointed out here right after the attacks as well as the fact that Afghanistan was within one or two votes of handing over Bin Laden and a little more diplomacy and time could have achieved the capture of Bin Laden without the war.

However revenge prevailed ant the result is now history and will be stuck to the USA for many years to come.

[OKdon]

Those governments or companies agreed to those labor contracts. Their representatives signed those agreement and now you are blaming the workers instead of the management. The governments or businesses ahd a responsibility to fund capital assets that will fund those retirement responsibility. Much like you renting a farm and want to reneg on the november payment. Not a damn bit different and these shortfalls truely indicate that the managers were unfit to manage.

You and I are different in that we only make agreements if we can meet the obligations. We can't agree and later decide we can't because the money is gone for a new pickup a combine or a fleet of new school buses. It's called management and its a damned poor excuse to say broke. At least you have to try to make your commitment. You just want to put the blame on those that got raped. You don't think it is rape to promise benefits and the reneg on them when your employee has done the work that was supposed  fund the retirement plan.

And you are one of the guys that criticized the farm bankruptsies during the 80's when farmers were unable to meet theior obligations. geez!

[northnd]

So were President Obama and Secretary Hillary Clinton guilty of bombing Libya leading to the eventual overthrow and killing of Muammar Gaddafi because of their Christian views?  Is President Obama's current bombing campaign in Afghanistan a result of his religous beliefs?  Is Canada's bombing in Syria being done because of the countries Christian beliefs?   President Bush's policies in Iraq were misguided and wrong but were not based on his proposed Christian religous affiliation.  Many republicans and some democrats like to cloak themselves in Christianity for various reasons and the press likes to "nail all Christian's to a cross" because of it.  As always, there is more than enough blame to be placed on both sides of the political equation.