Trump Draws Line

[jennys_mn]

I told you- he really has NO CLUE what he's talking about. He wants to knock off his own people - go for it Allen, go for it.

Tick Tock....BONG!!!

Jen

[BA Deere]

Obama is due a congratulations in that he destroyed the formerly best healthcare in the world, to the point it can not be repaired...he did a damned good job on it.    Okay in 2012, many of us knew and said that "Mitt Romney is the last chance to get rid of it"   see, too many goodies kicked in, even that fool that played guitar and was a former Trump supporter, but changed his tune when he found out he`d lose his goodies with what Trump was proposing.  That and things are screwed up so badly, there`s no going back to the old policies because the plans if not the companies are gone disappeared. 

The hell of it is Obamacare has failed and will need to be bailed out or the 14 million that`ll lose their insurance that the Libs were Boo-hooing about will be a sunday school picnic compared to the 10s and 100s of millions that will lose their insurance if nothing is done. 

But, with failure of "Ryancare" may be a blessing in disguise.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/health-care-failure-may-not-hurt-trump/ar-BByHEkW?ocid=sparta...

WASHINGTON — He tweeted it in 2011: “Know when to walk away from the table." 

That’s precisely what President Trump did on the Republican legislation largely repealing and replacing Obamacare. He shut down negotiations Thursday night and on Friday, House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., pulled the bill from consideration. 

While conventional wisdom might say it was akin to a loss on his first legislative push as president, political operatives and analysts say Trump and his fortunes have rarely lined up with convention. 

“I don’t necessarily think at the end of the day, this is going to be a great failure of the presidency like many will suggest,” said Craig Robinson, founder and editor of TheIowaRepublican.com. “I think Trump’s going to use this to kind of show that he’s separate from the Congress, and if you want to put heat on people to do something, put it on them.”

But Trump did repeat over and over on the campaign trail that he would repeal Obamacare, so the failure to get it done will have some impact. The bill was drafted by Republican lawmakers led by Ryan and not the White House, but Trump “did wrap his arms around it,” said Lilly Goren, political science professor at Carroll University in Wisconsin.

"And he said, you know, this is what we're going to work on, this is what we're going to get passed, and I'm the deal maker, and so I'm going to make the deals to move this through," she said. "And so he can't quite completely disassociate himself from it."

Trump worked the phones for days, held numerous meetings with lawmakers, and even provided concessions to conservative Republicans who said the legislation didn’t go far enough.

“He’s left everything on the field when it comes to this bill,” press secretary Sean Spicer said earlier Friday. “The president has been working throughout the week on this… Over 120 members have personally had a visit, call or a meeting here at the White House in the past few days.”

The bill, dubbed the American Health Care Act, would have replaced large swaths of the Affordable Care Act, including requirements that individuals maintain insurance at all times and that larger companies provide it to employees. It kept intact provisions that allow children to stay on their parents plans until age 26 and prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

In a last-ditch effort to win over conservative Republicans on Friday morning, House leaders added changes negotiated by Trump and House Republicans that would have, among other things, eliminated minimum requirements for insurance plans to cover 10 "essential health benefits," including maternity care, emergency room trips and prescription drugs.

But some hard-liners from the influential Freedom Caucus, who met with Trump on Thursday and whose votes were key for passage, still weren’t on board and there weren't enough votes to pass the bill so Ryan pulled it.

Trump, who approved the move, will likely emerge relatively unscathed, Robinson predicted.

“Trump’s a much different type of president than we’ve had in the past, obviously,” he said. “I think he will walk away. How long? We don’t know.”

Helmut Norpoth, a political science professor at Stony Brook University — and one of the few to predict Trump’s win last year — said he also believes the fate of the bill doesn’t presage the failure of the rest of his legislative agenda, and Trump may be better off moving on to his next priority, a tax overhaul.

“Clearly the Republican Party as a whole would be much more receptive to vote on tax reform,” Norpoth said. “On taxes, I think they’re probably more in line with what he wants to do so I don’t think they would necessarily torpedo that.”

But missing the mark on health care adds another negative notch in Trump's barely two-month-old presidency, which has frequently been enveloped by controversies, some of Trump's own making. Goren said it does "snowball the narrative" that he has a "rocky" administration, and continues the "conversations that a lot of people are having."

"It's like: What's the agenda? What are we concentrating on? What is the president advocating for, where's the emphasis? Who's leading?" she said. "We continue to bounce from one issue to another."

From crowd sizes, voter fraud and wire-tapping, to his first travel ban, then his second and the courts that held them up, not to mention the resignation of his national security adviser, the list is long.  

"And now we're, we have had, earlier this week, (FBI) Director Comey, so we we're talking about Russia, then intelligence; Now we're back to health care," she said. "And as the president, there isn't a clear message coming from the White House."

[Canuck_2]

BA; by 'formerly' the "best healthcare in the world" were you talking about the year 2000 maybe?

I see by this ranking the US was ranked number 1 in one of the six categories only and as low as 72 in one of them

I am not sure the number 1 ranking is the best category to be number one in.

BTW to save you looking it all up Canada was 35th in the category the US was 72 and 10th in the category the US was number 1 in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

Now I wonder how the rankings might have changed in the year 2016?

I expect you might have improved in the category that Chile was number 1 in the year 2000 but doubt you would make it to number 1 or even pass Canada's 18th place in 2000 but you would be improving.

Best health care..........I don't think the facts show that to be true7700

[AllenJwi]

If you nut jobs would clean out the trash in your side as well maybe this country wouldn't be in such bad shape. You are no different than criminals that will not rat out their own scum.

[AllenJwi]

The traitors are the ones that think mass confusion is a success. They are perfectly happy to stall and let the ship sink as long as they personally benefit. Kind of like 90 percent of the Democrat's.

[AllenJwi]

There you go... Clueless.

[AllenJwi]

Did you figure it out yet?

[BA Deere]

No Canuck, we do/did have the best sick care in the world and you know how I can prove it?  One of my favorite towns is Rochester, Minnesota home of the world renowned Mayo Clinic...if they can`t fix you up, you are a goner.  The richest, most famous and most powerful people in the world come to Rochester, Minnesota to get treatments ...I don`t hear them going to freakin Canada to get fixed up.

Obama F`ing up our insurance is one thing, but we have the best Doctors, Nurses, drugs and medical machinery to fix anyone up.

The trouble with this country`s health going to pot is the increasing sedentary lifestyle, sitting on their butts all day at a computer, then driving through the junk food drive through fast food joint.   It`s like you buy some knobby jointed Erysipelas feeder pigs and they are too far gone and don`t get thrifty and then blaming the veterinarian ...well everyone does all they can to ruin their own health and wonder why we`re an unhealthy nation...Duh!  Look in the mirror!

[bruce MN]

Bannonism,  in spades.

Not a Democrat.

Or a Republican either, for that matter.

[Canuck_2]

Keep believing BA;

Who knows if you believe long enough and hard enough you  might actually think it is true.

And to go to my link on ranking health care across the globe you will find the only category the US ranked first in was cost.

$$ spent, not in the best care or the beast results from that care or the biggest % of you population that was able to get care but number one in COST.

I suppose that included the profit of the insurance companies and the for profit hospitals