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bruce MN
Advisor

Trying to find where Gore, Kerry, McCain or Romney

Declared that "this has probably all been a big waste of time".
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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Trying to find where Gore, Kerry, McCain or Romney

Don't know if it was a waste, it may have started a tea party like movement....40% true believers, nothing to sneeze at plus president Hillary isn't going to have it easy. The rules of running for president have been permanently changed. Unfortunately its too late to do the country any good.
Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Trying to find where Gore, Kerry, McCain or Romney

yeah, wish the archives went back far enough to find Bruce's quote that

the TEA party movement was going to be a minor flash in the pan that

would fade after one election cycle.

 

But nobody's perfect...I never thought corn would go under $3 a bushel with

the inflated Bush/Obama dollars....who ever gets the future right?

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Trying to find where Gore, Kerry, McCain or Romney

IMO the Republican party has gotten too big for their britches, instead of listening to the people with dirty fingernails, they make deals with the liberal elites and laugh at us common people.  Well, they need to leave and go to the Democrats where they`ll be more at home and the can-do people can go about fixing things while there`s still a country and part of a constitution left...they sure the hell can`t lead, too stupid to even follow so they should get the hell out of the way in the Democrat party with the rest of the buffoons.

 

 

But the top of the Repub party, they were completely deaf, they get their bag of money from the Koch brothers and have to tow the Koch brother`s line and what`s good for the Koch brothers and Bruce Babcock and that ilk is not good for those with dirty fingernails.   It was time that they got slapped silly and Trump was that man.

 

I don`t know if it`s too late or just about too late, this election will determine if we have slim or no chance or have to hit rock bottom to straighten out.

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Trying to find where Gore, Kerry, McCain or Romney

Only thing I have ever said about Baggers is that their movement was not about economic or taxation policy, but rather under cover of issues such as those. But,  rather, about the bigotry and desire for authoritarianism that have become the Trump movement.

 

So I suppose BA has a point. Not enough people bought into it then and won't now to create any political success, but will be enough to keep those dreams of ethnic nationalism and cultural separatism alive in a sea of bubbles.

Katzenjammer12
Senior Contributor

Re: Trying to find where Gore, Kerry, McCain or Romney

I don't agree that the Republican party got too big for their britches.  Rather, they tried to bring too many differing views under the same tent and still control it.

The major failure of the Republican party is 20 or so years ago they sold out to the radical right wing religous whackos.  Ala Ted Cruz.  Northwest Iowa.  The Repblican party used to be about conservative economics and small government.  Now it is about big government and conservative social policies.  The economics is only a smoke screen.  The Republlican leadership understands that the masses have to be placated.

The people with dirty fingernails are widely split.  They can be socialist or red neck or anywhere in between.  LBJ and his Great Society taught them to give up their pride and line up at the government trough.  The Republicans watched and learned well.

The Republicans have only one chance - let the right wing whackos go form their own splinter group and stake a homestead as a moderate right party.  Then let the demos sweat whetherh their Bernie Sandors and Ralph Nader's will pull the dems too far to the left.

A center right party might have some chance to slow down the debt.  A radical right party never will.  The bulk of the dirty fingernail people are not in the radical right.

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Trying to find where Gore, Kerry, McCain or Romney

+ 1

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Trying to find where Gore, Kerry, McCain or Romney

Well, those that work with their hands for a living have been screwed by the "party of Reagan" for 30 years now...I liked Reagan, but he was a bit of a pied piper, the idea of "free trade" got rolling under him, with the idea that "farmers can export their stuff" and  "middle class can buy cheap goods at Walmart, that will raise their standard of living" All that happened was their wages stayed stagnant, but the foreign made junk did get cheaper and cheaper..."no inflation".

 

Democrats will point at Bill Clinton (signed NAFTA) and Obama (pushes TPP) and say "look how conservative they are", well if you don`t look too far beyond the nose on your face, they are in bed with Wallstreet (stock market in record territory)...if all you worship is the mighty dollar and do have one of those jobs that are a "license to steal"...you know the one`s that require Sunday clothes at work, never lift more than 10lbs and make high 6 figures or 7 or 8 figure salaries.   To those blessed folks there`s little difference in Jeb Bush or Hillary...but Trump??? that would upset their gravy boat!  Their business needs cheap labor in the factory here (immigration) and free trade to place the factory where in the world labor is cheapest.  Trump`s rhetoric makes them nervous as a lady of the evening in church.

 

If you`ll notice Trump doesn`t talk about "austerity" ..and I think if we went cold turkey and mecessily cut entitlements, you`d throw the country in a deep depression, government spending is that essential to the economy.  All that could be done is trim waste around the edges and DON`T START NEW ENTITLEMENTS such as Obamacare!!!!!

 

But the idea of "small government" in a nation of 320 million people and the largest economy in the world and leader of the free world is a non sequitur.  That bird has flown, we have to have a big but SMART government.  Republicans were more than happy to receive the dirty fingernail crowd`s votes, they promised us "defend the 2nd amendment, fight Rowe v Wade and cut taxes" ...they did the bare minmum on those 3 "bait issues"  first instance of a school shooting, establishment Repubs were quick to make guncontrol deals and they don`t do anything on abortion, just keep it a perpetual issue for the "next election". 

 

But we need big government to protect the workers, fight just wars and impose tariffs on the dumping of slave labor produced goods into this country.  As enticing as the Ayan Rand purist argument is of winding up the economic clock and just allowing a free for all race to the bottom isn`t conducive to a first world developed nation status.

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

I disagree

with $20 trillion in official debt on the books (thanks Obama and Bush!) and many

mulitiples of that in unfunded future entitlement liabilities, the time to be moderate

has passed. That ship sailed 8 years ago.

 

These are extreme times and call for extreme measures. Hopefully the ballot box

will provide the measures, but I would not rule anything out right now.

 

I do know that Mrs. Clinton will not be able to govern a country where the police,

the military, the border security, 90% of the people that actually work for a living,

etc. absolutely detest her. 

 

Its a wakeup call for the RINOS and the DINOs. THe George Will's, the Bush family,

the Mitt Romney's, McCains, Fox News, etc have shown this election cycle that they

are Democrat lite....they all want big government, minimum border security, foreign

wars of choice, etc etc.

 

Every issue that affects our freedoms , the RINOS and DINOS are in lock step together.

THe only thing worse that the two headed monster is Hugo Chavez, taking us to a 

Venezual existence.