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sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: We just surrendered to China

Just make xxxx up.

sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: We just surrendered to China

Just make xxxx up.

Nor is all oil and gas created equal. Fracked tends to be much lower EROEI than the old pressure lifted conventional stuff.

Takes a huge amount of steel to run horizontal networks, energy to frack it and lift oil.

Ultra deep water oil takes a huge amount of energy to lift it.

You always tap the closest, easiest, cheapest stuff first.

sam1wiseone
Senior Contributor

Re: We just surrendered to China

Take away all the subsidies and slave labor and the only positive returns on energy are fossil fuels nuclear and hydro.   

 

sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: We just surrendered to China

Just make xxxx up.

Old, conventional nuclear also not a very good EROEI but the energy costs are mostly sunk.

This is for the Turdmeister. Not that complicated to understand except for those who don't want to.

Peak oil is not a myth | Opinion | Chemistry World

sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: We just surrendered to China

Sam, when you just make xxxx up it sorta makes me question your vast expertise on Covid as well.

sam1wiseone
Senior Contributor

Re: We just surrendered to China

nope,  you're perpetually wrong about everything.  Not admitting it is a mental defect of yours.   Kind of like your regrasp of the pee pee tape.

Remove all subsidies, mandates, and regulations from the energy market and I you know which one will win.   Thats why you want the subsidies and mandates.

rsbs
Esteemed Advisor

Re: We just surrendered to China

Sam, as you witness the mental decline exhibited here on a daily basis by the doofus triplets, is there any wonder why they support and feel kinship to president *?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u92RXkhBxU

Sad illustration of the putative leader of the free world.

sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: We just surrendered to China

Sam struggles when he doesn’t have his vast library of Pro-Covid fake news at his disposal.

rickgthf
Senior Advisor

Re: Mine copper, subsides, oh please.

Every day, people all over this country turn their scrap copper into money, besides modern permanent magnet motors use half the copper of those old clunker motors. 

  As for subsidies,  the depletion allowance for petroleum alone, not even counting natural gas is $60 billion, and then there's the "Research" depreciation, etc., etc.  If consumers paid full price, gasoline would cost twice as much.

  As for coal vs solar?  It takes approximately a pound of coal to generate a one Kwh of electricity.  It takes 84 lbs of coal to produce a pound of purified silicon.  That pound of silicon can make 1.25 acres of solar panel (.45 hectares or 4500 sq meters), the average solar panel is about 1,74 sq. meters and generates on average 1,5 Kwh per day so a pound of silicon can generate roughly 2,500 Kwh per day or the same energy as 2,500 pounds of coal, day after day after day, for at least 25 years or 9125 days.

There is literally no comparison of the overall efficiency of solar over coal, none.

  In fact, it is so favorable that using coal to make purified silicon is entirely justified.

 

sdholloway56
Esteemed Advisor

Re: Mine copper, subsides, oh please.

Although some of the same depletion economics- which Sam rejects in regards to oil or probably just ignores while he yeah buhwhatabouts- are in play.

The famous Ontonogan Boulder was two tons of super high grade ore found just sitting out in the open in the UP. Today they’re mining ores from huge pits with a few pounds per ton.

But there appears to be enough copper and the stuff that ends up in car motors will be almost 100% recycled, like automotive steel is.

You don’t recycle fossil fuels.

Can recycle silicon from panels and composite from wind turbines but the programs need to get better.