We just surrendered to China

[sdholloway56]

How Sen. Manchin just Positioned Chinese Firms to dominate the Green Energy Markets of the 21st Cent...

China will continue to leave us in the dust on renewables. They will have a massive supply of ultra-cheap energy, the considerble benefit of doing the massive infrastructure spend domestically and achieve a scale that will ensure nobody else can compete.

Isn't even about climate at this point- renewables are now provably superior to fossil fuels and will capture an increasing part of the energy mix regardless.

I don't expect any agreement here, just probing to see how the hyper-reactionary mind spins it.

Will, I guess, ensure that China can buy a lot of food. And maybe there can be nice side gigs leasing land to rich Chinese hunters.

Also probably a boon to the defense "industry" as we inevitably freak out and hit the nail with the only hammer we think we have.

[rsbs]

The USA has a 500 year supply of natural gas and enough oil to take us at least a century forward. Not even getting into coal reserves, hydro power, our own abundant wind and solar, and nuclear. We are energy rich.

Don't really see a problem here as soon as we get the adults back in charge of the country. I think you are free to book a flight and go to China if they want a nut there. Bet they deny you entry, though. You will have to just live out your sorry life as an American malcontent.

[rsbs]

Alternatively, We Could Take the China Threat Seriously (townhall.com)

[sdholloway56]

Lol.

The Chamberlain outfit comes off and Churchill comes out of the closet.

EIA data suggests domestic proven reserves of oil in the 10 year range and NG around 20. There is undoubtedly more to be found but it will get harder and more expensive. There is nothing remotely "conservative" about burning through a finite resource as fast as you can.

Renewables just keep getting cheaper- the cheapest large scale energy source in history.

We really can't do a lot militarily to thwart China's strategic ambitions other than make it costly, both militarily and economically. Their territorial ambitions are not extreme- probably to absorb Taiwan and then Finlandize the rest of the Asian supply chain.

BTW, back before the clock stopped 5 years ago and we got stuck in a Reality TV mashup of Mayberry and The Apprentice: Presidential Edition, TPP wasn't such a bad idea.

Certainly good for agriculture.

[sdholloway56]

Those 4 lost years will be regarded by historians as similar to the Buchanan Admin. before the Civil War.

[sam1wiseone]

Wrong.   All inputs taken into account green energy is a massive negative.  

And

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-takes-the-brakes-off-coal-production-to-tackle-power-shortage-116...

[sdholloway56]

Absurd claim.

Wind and solar on good sites generally run net energy positive in less that a year.

The 28% of China's power capacity that is renewable is chuggling along just fine.

The global energy problem is LNG cargoes and low coal stockpiles.

[sdholloway56]

The answer to how the hyper-reactionary mind spins it is just make xxxx up.

[sdholloway56]

Net of the old, inefficient coal plants that China decommissioned, it added 29 GW of coal capacity in 2020.

But renewables are cheaper and will get more so.

[sam1wiseone]

Nope total energy cost in greens are negative.  It's not just the energy produced in the equation.   It takes allot of energy to mine to copper that goes into those windings.