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hardnox604008
Advisor

Where there ought to be conflict re: guns

Not going to turn back the clock on what is out there but this is where a sane society would proceed:

 

Tighten background checks and waiting periods; close the gun show and internet loopholes, period. Don't touch anything else.

 

Then comes the tough part. Review all the gun records that are out there and I'll bet there are a million or two cases of people who can be traced to holding guns that aren't legal under current law (more that you can't trace).

 

Then enforce the laws that are already on the books.

 

Will that mean a million Wacos and Ruby Ridges?  Will the cops rebel at being forced to SWAT on folks who just happen to have a felony or whacko record but happen to hold some major heat?  I don't know.

 

If the effort to enforce existing laws was perceived as such it would in itself create a condition of civil war.

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: When can we expect conflict?

This is why I fought so hard to defeat 0bama, that this would be put off at least another 4yrs.  It may be that we are so far gone that the Constitution can no longer be used to defend itself.  If you have a Supreme Court that says "up is down and black is white and wet is dry" what you have is a kangaroo system.   We don`t know what if any "gun control" will result, maybe it won`t be so bad and nothing will happen.  But let`s say that the things that Biden is suggesting and 0bama is touting in every speech like a "pick up AR15s with 10rd mags" comes law.  Just like alcohol prohibition alot of senseless bloodshed will occur..hardhearts like GTO and Kraft will say "HAR HAR HAR Kill `em they disobeyed the law har har har kill `em har har har"   A law that will cause more death and distruction that it will prevent SHOULD NOT BE ENFORCED.  And at that local level the Sheriff needs to use that discretion.  I know, Snooky/Schnurrbart you`ll love to be on the firing squad killing us "traitors"  but let it be known you are killing good decent people who`ve never done you or anyone any harm and although I will not be your judge one day, I will forgive you.   George Washinton was a "traitor",  Lincoln pulled funny business to free the slaves,  Rosa Parks practiced "civil disobedience".   We will see just how little regard that this lame-duck 0bama/Biden administration really have for the well being of all Americans.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: When can we expect conflict?


@bruce MN wrote:

I didn't watch the speeches or any of the innaugaration coverage for that matter yesterday but read some on it last night and early this AM.

 

I'd expected more "grand bargain" appeals to the Boehner/McConnell crowd.  Shocked to see the things he actually named and framed.

 

From what I read here and from the reports of the sales of guns and ammunition and the easy to find computations of various and numerous paramilitary groups and factions out there, how long until somebody "does something"?

 

We recently watched a documetnary on History Ch. that I'd recorded a little while back.  Much of it was dedicated to recounting of the wars of the bronze and iron ages in the last millinea B.C..  What was most evident was nothing got undertaken with any success, aggression or defensive, from it without a very substaintial degree of political organization around it and control of massive resources.  If you were loosely organized or short on food and water and currency or gold or other resources, you where hosed. 

 

Obviously, the Confederacy here in the U.S.A. got themselves to that point where they were a very fomidibale opponent, and history shows that a battle here and a skirmish there go the other way and it might have turned out differently.  But they took care to be organized and full on provisions and access to more for years.  The key there was politcal organization.  It wasn't teh people of the south who had seceeded, but raterh the wealthy men who served those states in the U.S. Congress who did.  And they controlled the process and secceded and formed The confederate Statesof America and the little people showed up and were issued uniforms and ordinance because, suddenly, it was the only game in town.

 

The Spainish Civil war was an incredible noble anti-Fascist  cause. But the dissenters never really bound to each other, often at loggerheads over their aims.  Sometimes to the tune of violence within the movement.  And they lost, even though10s of thousands of volunteers from all over the world came to take up arms with them,  But they never got organized and universally "worked  well with "others". as the Athenians and the Spartans did in coming together to ward off the Persians and save Greece from bondage even though facing incredibly bad odds in terms of manpower.

 

I fully expect ti to get ugly.  But who attacks and takes out what?  Do neo-nazis attack and clean out government run elementary schools in big cities?  Do red-necks fearing loss of their hunting guns swarm and shoot up a county courthouse in SW Iowa or So. Indiana to rid the locals of the uneccesary beauraucrats and their back room support staffs? 

 

Or will LaPeiere and Dobson and Limbaugh (will the signal to mobilize and move be sent out on Rush's progam of some quiet Tuesday afternoon?)  be able to join forces relatively undetected and start moving the troops down the main byways of the nation, headed for confrontations with the dreaded moderate hoarde?

 

Maybe it's all lined up and sitting out there, with the necessary orders in some codified form, just waiting for the right time between apple juice and Viagra spots.. And depending, I'm sure, on massive and highly presumed military defections coming on board with them for support.  Literally spilling out of the barracks. 

 

 


The next revolution will be started by people who depend on a government check for their livelihood. When the government runs out of other people's money, and their printing cannot keep up with daily inflation, the peasants will revolt. This is why the rulers are so desperate to disarm the people.

Taylor ECIL
Senior Contributor

Re: Where there ought to be conflict re: guns

What is the internet loophole?

ollie2655
Senior Contributor

Re: you mean the way obalmo does

i agree with you ole snookems --aint this fun

Snooky1953
Senior Contributor

Re: When can we expect conflict?

So, what you are saying is that bloodshed will happen unless there is zero done to try to correct the senseless shootings??  You guys and those like you and ted and frank have all promised bloodshed if anyone tries to take your guns.  I don't believe anyone is trying to take anyone's guns but you never know.  20 thinks the revolution will start when the welfare folks run out of money.  I don't believe either faction will start.  Oh, there may be a few fools out there but most of you guys will just continue to grumble and mumble about the boy in the White House.  A lot of people disliked bush but nothing like what comes out of the right against Obama was ever said.  I live in the south.  I know why y'all are upset.  No need to deny it because it don't fly.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: When can we expect conflict?


@Snooky1953 wrote:

So, what you are saying is that bloodshed will happen unless there is zero done to try to correct the senseless shootings??  You guys and those like you and ted and frank have all promised bloodshed if anyone tries to take your guns.  I don't believe anyone is trying to take anyone's guns but you never know.  20 thinks the revolution will start when the welfare folks run out of money.  I don't believe either faction will start.  Oh, there may be a few fools out there but most of you guys will just continue to grumble and mumble about the boy in the White House.  A lot of people disliked bush but nothing like what comes out of the right against Obama was ever said.  I live in the south.  I know why y'all are upset.  No need to deny it because it don't fly.


There are a lot more people than those on welfare who are dependent on a government check for their living.

gough whitlam
Senior Contributor

Re: When can we expect conflict?

Be careful with that comrade, I am told it will not differentiate dem from repig. Even youi will not escape that one.

 

All jokes aside, have a listen to yourselves.  You are still vomiting bile since the defeat so rather than get on with it and enjoy life, you invent conspriracy theories about Obama's agenda while the other nutters hold clandestine underground meetings to get the weekend warriors in order for the revolution.  You have all lost the bluudy plot.  Wake up to yourselves.  You are on exhibition to the world here and let me know if that is the reflection the USA is trying to achieve.

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: When can we expect conflict?

Now how exactly is taking an ol` Ioway boy`s AR15 with a 30rd mag gonna stop stop school shootings?  That ol` boy has calloused hands, dirty fingnails, prays to Jesus every night, coaches T-Ball, volunteer fireman, never shot anything more innocent than a bambi or a rooster and if the communists were coming over the hill, he would be right there with the rest of the town`s citizens.  How would passing a law that would make that man a criminal make the world a better place???  Let`s talk about more and better background checks, let`s talk about a armed school safety officer and locked doors at class time.  And let`s also talk about these violent video games that kids spend 16hrs a day in, (the Tx nut that shot his Ma and Dad were into those) let`s talk about Hollywood`s sickening slasher movies.  And what about these prescribtion drugs that  kids are put on from the age of 6, for just "acting like a kid" those drugs have side effects of "suicidal thoughts" want is the long term affect of taking them?? What happens if the kid takes too many??  What happens if the kid just quits taking them??  But No, every time I click on the news it`s "president Obama said ban this gun and Biden said ban this magazine and Governor Coumo of New York OUTLAWED these guns and those magazines" it`s just ridiculous...none of those measures would`ve stopped any of the shootings so far. 

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: Where there ought to be conflict re: guns

What percentage of crime were committed with arms purchased as private parties?  

 

To accomplish your records check they would have to confiscate the books of everyone holding a ffl and since a person would not  have cleared the background check as a felon they would have to look for people who bought a gun then became a felon.  Quite a task, but possible in  police state.  You want a bigger police state right?