Willful ignorance

[schnurrbart]

I haven't been there in many years so I don't know how many if any govt employees work at these "open air" attractions. I do think they are ALL of federal property within the Mall and, therefore, when there is a govt shutdown, the Mall is officially closed and theoretically, when someone is on your property when it is closed for business, it is called trespassing. However, neither argument is moot because they did get to go and no one was threatened nor arrested. As for the signs, I couldn't really say but I do know that the govt runs the biggest printing operation in the country, maybe the world and if they wanted 10,000 signs yesterday it would happen. Have you ever done or seen commercial printing? If not, don't question whether it was possible or not because it makes you look ill informed.

[r3020]

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@schnurrbart wrote:
I truly don't understand what the govt could do in the case of an employer cutting hours to make more people ineligible for their health plans other than mandate that any people on the payroll at the time this went into effect at the time of the bill passing could not have their hours cut. THEN y'all would be screaming that Obama is a commie basterd/socialist pig for telling business what they can and cannot do with their own business. Did hoffa and the others offer offer any kind of solution that they would be in favor of? NO!!!! They just said "fix it!" The old saying is "if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem."

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I understand what could be done. The government could stay out of the healthcare business.

[schnurrbart]

That's what I thought! Get a grip guy!

[Husker-J]

The 17% comes from the amount of money the government had to cut from spending.

There was money coming in, to fun 83% of all expenditures, and the administration had quite a bit of discretion as to where to spend the 83% (hint, it didn't close ANY federally operated golf courses, rec centers for Congress, etc, etc, or even the salaries of Congress).  Had 'everyone' shared the pain, things wouldn't have had to be nearly as bad.

As for the closing of the WWII memorial - there were actually MORE federal employees on payroll, to erect barricades, and enforce the closure, than the normal staff that mans it, when open.   Doesn't that strike anyone as odd, that they would pay MORE to close it, than it would cost to keep it open?
Perhaps there was a REASON they wanted places like that closed?   Hmmmmm...

[schnurrbart]

That doesn't really enter into a conversation about waste. Who was attacked? Who was arrested? Were they beaten about the head and shoulders? Read some posts above.

[schnurrbart]

Tell that to the millions who have Medicare that they paid for during their entire working lives.

[schnurrbart]

I agree that it was a waste but I disagree on where the majority of the blame falls. You do KNOW that golf courses continued to be open and that only federal people can play there???

[schnurrbart]

There have been people on this forum quoting those figures along with $5000-$12000 in deductibles. I haven't seen it at all, that is why I don't believe it.

[Husker-J]

Wrong about no arrests.  Vietnam veterans were actually arrested.

As to the signs, let's say you are right, and they could print the signs in a day, but they still had to get them to all those national parks, and they managed to do that on the first day.   How much did it cost, to get them there, and up, so fast?  Also, every park I know of, already HAS enough 'closed' signs, to hang on every gate.  With the shutdown, and the loss of revenue, why did the government spend a flurry of last minute money, to do things like print new Closed signs, just to have the words added 'because of government shutdown'?

Why, on the last day before the shutdown, did the government pay for new artwork, to decorate Federal buildings?   Why did they pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for new toner cartirges, for printers that were not going to be used during the shutdown?  Was there a REASON to be sure all the money various departments had was spent, when the shutdown occured?

When people close their minds to the point they won't even ask those questions, or refuse to think abou them when someone else asks them, are they not also 'willfully ignorant'?

[schnurrbart]

That is what I said. You folks would scream bloody murder if the govt told businesses how to allocate hours. BUT if those companies have 40 hour/employees with company paid health care, THEN to arbitrarily cut their hours and take away the health care JUST to avoid paying what they have been paying is just dead wrong!