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Yo! Canuck 2

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Re: Yo! Canuck 2

Health care to eat up 70% of the budget?

 

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Ottawa looks to repair its budget balance ... one could see these one-time allocations to specific health projects might be curtailed," said Mary Webb, senior economist at Scotia Capital.

Brian Golden, a professor at University of Toronto's Rotman School of Business, said provinces are weighing new sources of funding, including "means-testing" and moving toward evidence-based and pay-for-performance models.

 

"Why are we paying more or the same for

 

cataract surgery when it costs substantially less today than it did 10 years ago? There's going to be a finer look at what we're paying for and, more importantly, what we're getting for it," he said.

 

Other problems include trying to control independently set salaries for top hospital executives and doctors and rein in spiraling costs for

 

new medical technologies and drugs.

Ontario says healthcare could eat up 70 percent of its budget in 12 years, if all these costs are left unchecked.

"Our objective is to preserve the quality healthcare system we have and indeed to enhance it. But there are difficult decisions ahead and we will continue to make them,"

 

Ontario Finance Minister Dwight Duncan told Reuters.

The province has introduced legislation that ties hospital chief executive pay with the quality of patient care and says it wants to put more physicians on salary to save money.

In a report released last week, TD Bank said Ontario should consider other proposals to help cut costs, including scaling back drug coverage for affluent seniors and paying doctors according to quality and efficiency of care.

 

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100531/hl_nm/us_health_3

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Re: Yo! Canuck 2

Why do you suppose health insurers raise premiums. If Canuck care is costing to much, they will have to increase revenues just like american policy holders do. Can you imagine that?

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Re: Yo! Canuck 2

What I CAN"T imagine is any government spending 70% of their budget on health care. Why are they paying more for lasik surgery when the cost has come down???? Because they are a 3rd party payer, the person receiving the surgery has no concern about cost, to them it is free.

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Re: Health care is not free

The people of Canada are paying for their health care through taxes. The fact they spend a large portion of their revenues for health care speaks well of them. They have their priorities right. Trying to keep their people well and healthy is a laudable effort.

 

Spending money on war games and military is a huge waste of the peoples resources. They are much more apt to be striken down by a dreaded health issue than an invasion by a foreign power.

 

We all have to decide for oursaelves what is really important in our lives. If proving health care to your people is your motivation, then I suppose that is where the people ought to spend the effort.

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Re: Health care is not free

When you go to the doc, and some one else pays the bill, the perception is it is free. Ask most Canadians how much they pay for health care and the response will be "nothing, it is free in this country." OUR federal government was set up MAINLY for the purpose of self defense, that is where the majority of the budget should be spent. The rest is up to the states and more so the people.

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Re: Health care is not free

Lets elect people who will follow the constitution to the letter. Kraft uses the constitution for toilet paper.

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Hey Bruce

Good to hear some others recognize that we are 'sailing through' the rough economic troubles with little harm.

I am no expert but think there are a lot of reasons.

1st the (big L) Liberals went on an program to reduce our debt. They turned an ongoing deficit financed government budget into one which was paying down the debt each year with substantial surpluses.

2nd our financial watchdogs and legislation worked to keep banks sound. Note they worked in that order of importance. The legislation was there and it has been noted that the 'watchdogs', government employees that checked on compliance did their job or as has been stated 'they were in the banks face all the time'

It should also be noted that over the 2 years before all the financial troubles our (big C) Conservatives cut our GST (Value Added Tax) by 2% to just 5%. This left them with barely balance budgets just before they needed to spend money to stimulate the economy. Just think if the 2% cut had happened to help stimulate, but of course they had already let the horse out before it was needed and so they are producing huge deficit budgets because of more spending and less tax. Sound familiar?

Latest is the proposed world wide tax on financial institutions to build a fund for future bailouts. Canada is arguing we did not need to bailout our banks so why would we want to pay for others. At least not before other countries put restrictions and oversight on their financial institutions and then have oversight to make sure there is compliance.

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Projected costs

Read the whole story r3020 with an open mind and I think you will see they are discussing ways to keep health care costs from using 70% of the budget.

Our system leads to less cost than yours in my mind since we have a single payer, no buildings full of paper pushers sending out bills, collecting payments, checking who is approved for what and arguing with the medical people on what they will pay.

If the people in charge of our system did not keep chasing costs then they would not be doing theor job so do not complain about them questioning costs and looking for more efficient ways to do things.

BTW you have to remember EVERYONE gets health care in Canda. No one is cut off because they can not afford it. THAT is rationing.

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r3020 Re: Health care is not free


@r3020 wrote:

When you go to the doc, and some one else pays the bill, the perception is it is free. Ask most Canadians how much they pay for health care and the response will be "nothing, it is free in this country." OUR federal government was set up MAINLY for the purpose of self defense, that is where the majority of the budget should be spent. The rest is up to the states and more so the people.


Health care is not as simple as being "Canadian" health care in Canada. Health Care is the responsibility of the provinces, the federal government only get involved by chipping in some $$$ so my plan allows me to get care in any part of Canada.

Canadians know it is not "free" but they also know they do not have to reach very far into their pocket if they are injured or become ill. We all pay our taxes as due according to our income and we all get care when needed.