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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

You can be very very very certain and wrong

You haters won`t want to hear this and it isn`t from a "rightwing" site.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kavanaugh-hearing-very-very-certain-wrong-202229531.html 

 

 

Washington (AFP) - US Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who says he sexually assaulted her decades ago, both say they are convinced their recollections of the past are correct.

But the stories do not match. How can one square the circle?

Elizabeth Loftus, a cognitive psychologist and professor at the University of California, Irvine, says it's possible that both are entirely sincere.

Loftus has spent decades researching human memory, and how those memories can change based on suggestion and other factors -- notably in the legal context. She offered the following thoughts to AFP on the Kavanaugh hearings:

- Sincerity -

Q: Is it possible that both witnesses are sincere?

A: "Absolutely. Certainly she came across as very credible and sympathetic, with most people wanting to believe her, and she seems to definitely believe what she is saying.

"He came across very angry and belligerent, and that is to be expected by someone who is convinced that he is being falsely accused.

"If he did do this, and he has no memory of it because it was so long ago, because maybe he was drinking more than usual and he forgot about that, he could honestly believe his denials."

- False memory -

Q: How commonly can a person misremember details of a real event?

A: "That would be very common. When you have an experience, especially a very upsetting experience... you often remember the core of the event -- you know it was an airplane crash and not a huge fire, and you can remember certain core details, but often many of the peripheral details will suffer.

"And then memory changes over the course of retelling with different audiences -- with the exposure to new information, other details can change.

"We have done studies where we show people an accident -- where a car goes through a yield sign and we suggest later it was a stop sign -- and many people will tell us they remember seeing a stop sign.

"Changing the details of an actual memory is a relatively easy thing to do. And it can happen spontaneously."

- 'Very, very certain, and wrong' -

Q: Does it make a difference if someone says they are 100 percent sure?

A: "Sometimes people are very, very certain and wrong. In DNA exonerations, you will find many instances where people start out being uncertain... they'll look at some photos and say, 'Well, that one looks the closest, I guess.'

"But by the time they get to trial, they've become vastly more certain, and therefore more persuasive.

"So you see in these cases how someone who is now very certain, was once not so certain. In those cases, we need to ask what made them become so certain."

 
 
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rsbs
Esteemed Advisor

Re: You can be very very very certain and wrong

I have to admit that I have been dead certain about certain things in my life and ended up being totally wrong. This is why "eye witness" testimony is really not all that conclusive.

 

Our brains tend to play tricks on us in certain instances.

 

Some much worse than others, but virtually everyone is subject to this fault.

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: You can be very very very certain and wrong

When I was a small kid, Dad had a big old chickenhouse that he used for farrowing sows, it was cleaned out and empty and I was playing around and I saw a ghost.   You could put me on a polygraph and I would honestly say that "I saw a ghost" because I did. 

 

However I know that it wasn`t a ghost because ghosts don`t exist, it could`ve been a lot of things like a white garbage bag floating from the wind through the open window or a big white owl...I really don`t know, but it wasn`t a ghost, although in my young frightened mind, that`s really what I saw.

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: You can be very very very certain and wrong

We see examples of that here everyday—from you righties. You think your “opinions” are always right, but they aren’t.
basset&co
Senior Contributor

Re: You can be very very very certain and wrong

schnur just looked in the mirror and it broke..

cmilligan1958g
Senior Contributor

Re: You can be very very very certain and wrong

A George Soros funded operation could have an army of carefully selected people (victims) chosen and meticulously brain washed to believe anything that the Leftist operation wants them to believe. 

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: You can be very very very certain and wrong

Yes and have Peter Strok and Susan Page administer the lie detector tests.   Shazam! They passed with flying colors  Gooooollee Sgt Carter!

elcheapo
Senior Advisor

Re: You can be very very very certain and wrong

And so that is what rush does for the Republicans
basset&co
Senior Contributor

Re: You can be very very very certain and wrong

can you prove it cheap'o?   lol

Re: You can be very very very certain and wrong

sure. But of course as a trashy and vile white fellow you're giving the benefit of the doubt to another one.

 

After getting away with it for so long and skimming through so many cursory background checks I bet Kavanaugh almost really believes himself.

 

His lies are going to catch up with him.

 

Sad that Ms. Ford tried to give him and the GOP an out but they rushed in headlong anyway.