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Senior Advisor

You wanted it, you got it, here is the future of Obama care.

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Millions of patients face losing NHS care as bosses prepare to axe treatments to make £20billion of savings by 2014, a top doctor has warned.

Among procedures being targeted by health trusts are hernias, joint replacements, ear and nose procedures, varicose veins and cataract surgery.

Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the British Medical Association's consultants committee, warned NHS bosses wanted 'wholesale reductions in budgets'.

 

He said primary care trusts - which commission care - are already compiling lists of 'low value' operations that would no longer be provided.

These include hip replacements for obese patients and some operations for hernias and gallstones. Procedures for varicose veins, ear and nose problems including grommets in children are also not funded in some areas.

Dr Porter said it was wrong to impose blanket bans on such procedures when some patients might benefit.

 

Although the Government has pledged to defend spending, trusts are preparing for a period of 'unprecedented retrenchment' to make the £20billion savings within four years, he said.

'Already NHS commissioners are drawing up lists of health interventions that must be decommissioned. Cut. Stopped. Not done any more.

'These lists are clothed in the language of evidence but they represent target reductions based on cost and volume, sometimes ignoring the potential benefit to individual patients.

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'Instead, in the quest for wholesale reductions in budgets, lists of banned treatments are being compiled. This is wrong.'

Dr Porter told the BMA's annual consultants conference that hospital doctors would stand up for patients.

Earlier this year the Government's rationing body said more cuts in medical treatments are planned to save the NHS at least £600million.

Patients could find it harder to get into hospital under plans from the National Institute for health and Clinical Excellence, which advises on drugs and procedures to be funded.

Chief executive Andrew Dillon said a review of clinical guidelines will be finished by the end of the year, which will include 'evidence of overuse' of treatments to 'see what the prospects (for savings) might be'.

Nice will also push through 150 changes to medical practice aimed at saving money, from reducing prescribing of antibiotics by GPs to delaying some prostate cancer tests.

A Department of Health spokesman said: 'Savings will be implemented in a way that does not affect the quality of services and all savings will be reinvested back in the NHS.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1283873/NHS-preparing-cut-millions-operations-Patients-lose-...

I guess these could be called "death panels."

 

Repeal!!! Repeal now!!! The government knows as much about health care as they do oil well blow outs.

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Advisor

Re: You wanted it, you got it, here is the future of Obama care.

You say: "Repeal!!! Repeal now!!! The government knows as much about health care as they do oil well blow outs."

 

Let's say for purposes of discussion that we agree with that. Then, in turn, would you favor turning our health care program over to a consortium that accurately reflected the views of primary care physicians?

 

Or to the equiviilnt parties to BP? 

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Senior Contributor

Re: You wanted it, you got it, here is the future of Obama care.

I would because in the long run, private business will always outperform government run business due to economic incentives to do better and compete with others who are doing the same thing. 

Advisor

Re: You wanted it, you got it, here is the future of Obama care.

Those primary care physicians I used in that hypothetical AREN"T part of the private sector? Excuse me for not qualifying that they would be...at least the ones that I know, or probably should say have known.

Senior Advisor

Re: You wanted it, you got it, here is the future of Obama care.

Bruce, the Brits are showing us the failure of government run health care just like Greece is showing us the failure of run away government spending. Which path do you wish to follow, socialism or capitalism? Competition is what delivers a quality product at an affordable price.

Advisor

Re: You wanted it, you got it, here is the future of Obama care.

Where is the competion in our health care and health care insurance business?

 

It was the rare politician who didn't agree that it needed reform. Lots of disagreement on how, but hardly anybody argued that it isn't failing.

 

You guys need to come up with a better example.

Veteran Advisor

Re: You wanted it, you got it, here is the future of Obama care.

What was the general consensus on how the American medical system was failing? The biggest failure that I see in America, and this is on a daily basis, is the failure of Americans to not be gluttons, whether it involves food, alcohol, tobacco , or other drugs and vices.

 

The second failure is the lack of free market price controls in the healthcare marketplace.

 

You might respond with a third failure, the lack of access to medical care, but I would disagree with that one, since non-profit hospitals are required to provide indigent care, and programs exist to help the poor access care. Could we do better as a nation? Certainily, and I am sure that you have read about Michelle Obama's callous treatment of the poor at the hospital she managed.

 

The new legislation will not address the problems with American healthcare, unless you think more socialism is the answer to America's problems.

Senior Advisor

Re: You wanted it, you got it, here is the future of Obama care.

A better example? Lasik surgery. The patients pays the doctor. No insurance. No government. We need to move towards a system where the patients is increasing responsible for an ever larger share of the bill. The first thing we need to do is repeal this disaster before it is too late.

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Here is a novel idea

You turn your health care over to whoever the hell you want and leave mine the hell alone.  A guy wants to learn to cure me and I want him to cure me and it is gov business.  A guy wants to learn to suck babies out of women and it is a privacy issue.

Senior Contributor

Re: You wanted it, you got it, here is the future of Obama care.

I agree with all that you wrote.  Our health care system has evolved into a maze of government and health insurance guidelines.  It's not that there is not enough government regulation in it.  It's that theres already way too much.  We need to get back to a system where we are responsible for our health, physically and financially.  We use our health insurance for every health need.  Insurance was never supposed to be used like that.  It is supposed to be used in cases of emergency.  A trip to the doctor for a checkup or allergy flair up isn't an emergency.