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commemorating the most costly defeat defeat in history

On 9/11.

 

$4 trillion spent so far.

 

That is $1.3 billion per death on 9/11, plus 1.6 Americans killed per person lost plus 50 wounded, many gravely (and a substantial part of the $4 trillion, until we welsh on them).

 

What a way to run a railroad.

 

That pays for about 8 years of unemplyment insurance plus foodstamps. However it is necesary to cut those programs so there will be people who have to go fight for us and become disabled. So we can welsh on them.

 

 

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Veteran Contributor

Re: commemorating the most costly defeat defeat in history

But we secured the oil supplies of the Middle East for the world to enjoy and so oil would be reasonably priced.  And thank goodness we got rid of the ethanol subsidies costing us almost $5 billion a year.

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Esteemed Advisor

Re: commemorating the most costly defeat defeat in history

I have been strongly against all these foreign incursions from the start. All empires let their ego destroy them, not the opposition. We apparently are no different.

 

Having said that though, Hardbody your post is pretty offensive, even to me. You just cannot over-simplify the world like that and retain much cred. We did free about 50 mil people from slavery in the process. At least do a fair accounting. Most of the money would of been spent on something anyway.

 

So, I say bring ALL the trops home. Bases in German? Japan? Austrailia? Seriously we are borrowing money from China so that we can spend it defending Taiwan from China.....doesn't sound sustainable does it! China is now able to take Taiwan whenever they chose. Debt is the toughest army in all of history, the Torah got that right thousands of years ago...but I digress.

 

 

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Senior Contributor

Re: commemorating the most costly defeat defeat in history

Right (sarcastic). Bush lit a powder keg in Iraq that has started a war between the factions in the Middle East. Do you really think that is going to keep the price of oil reasonable?

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Senior Contributor

Re: commemorating the most costly defeat defeat in history

We can fight over there or over here. One way are another we're going to fight someone that insist we convert or die. 

Thank God for the boys and girls that went and keep the family's of the ones that didn't come back in your prayers. 

 

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Senior Contributor

Re: commemorating the most costly defeat defeat in history

thank you, time. 

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Veteran Contributor

Re: commemorating the most costly defeat defeat in history

wt51015, sorry if I wasn't being transparent enough.  I was being sarcastic about the price of oil being reasonable.

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Re: commemorating the most costly defeat defeat in history

 

sorry if I offended you, Time, but what you say isn't true.

 

Like the Soviets and the British before them, we lost in Afghanistan.  Which is what anyone with more than a passing knowledge of history would have predicted although once the direction that we were going to take was clear I certainly hoped for the best.

 

In Iraq we merely succeeded in overthrowing the Sunni minority that had kept the Shiite majority in check- basically giving a gift to Iran.

 

If one accepts the conventional view of 9/11 then OBL's purpose was to draw the US into the ME and bleed it, which was accomplished spectacularly.

 

Actually this is all worse than it might appear on the surface. With a massively overleveraged economy and weak demand, our economy requires huge deficits in order to keep the balls in the air or risks a severe deflationary liquidation.

 

It ain't good but in the spirit of christian teaching I'll choose feeding and clothing people (even though I'm not sure that political liberalism qualifies as personal charity and even if people use their food stamps to buy coca cola or sit on their couches collecting unemployment) rather than support a permanent warfare state where the most compelling purpose is to keep asset values elevated.

 

I know that it is bad for business to not be reverent on 9/11 or to not have a Support Our Troops ribbon on the truck as we're told patriotic folks should. But seriously, at some point we have to first accept that we lost and second that the whole thing had questionable moral standing to begin with.

 

 Which, by the way, is in no way the fault of the people who served.

 

 

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Larry Lindsay

Any discussion of the costs of the wars needs to touch on Lindsay, who was quickly hustled out of the Bush Admin for suggesting that the war in Iraq might cost $200 billion peryear.

 

They then trotted out OMB Director Mitch Daniels with assurances that the cost would be "much, much less".  Mitch had no way of knowing but he delivered what they told him to say. Hard telling if he wised up and jumped ship as soon as a good gig opened up, or not. But I always maintained that no matter how brilliant he is, no one who has involved in doing that much harm to the republic should remain in public life- although he was wealthy and was free to  move toPalm Beach and take up polo.

 

I'm still on Mitch's case as we watch him engage in shockngly venal, Louisiana style cronyism as the 8 of 9 Purdue trustees who he appointed now appoint him President.

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Senior Advisor

Re: commemorating the most costly defeat defeat in history

Where do you get the number 4 trillion?