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Re: The problem is who stays in teaching

It's in NE.  The teachers here do not pay to get a masters.  The school district pays the cost.  The teachers also don't pay for their health insurance.  The family plans they do have at our local school runs the district roughly 17,500 per teacher. 


I would agree that teaching can be a thankless job.  My sister-in-law that teaches said it didn't used to be this way.  When she first started, parents wanted to know what their child did to get in trouble and disciplined them accordingly.  Today, the parents come in screaming and demanding what the teacher did to their child when the child gets into trouble.  She also said the no child left behind policy has caused some problems.  Basically, it has caused the entire class to get dumbed down so the slower students don't get left behind.  Parents don't read to their kids like they used.  They also don't help them in subjects like math and such when they are having problems.  Schools seem to take on more and more burden each year with raising children because parents either can't or won't do it.  I read an article yesterday talking about HIV and how 26% of all new cases each year come in the age group of 13-24.  Parents are crying foul that schools need to be better educating kids.  This is why our education system is such a mess.

Re: The problem is who stays in teaching

My education psycho wife has been known to refer to the Gen Xers...she calls them the Reagan kids...with young families as "children raising children".  Living in high expectatoin of the school staff being able to immediately  fill all of the voids in knowledge that they grew up taking for granted and aren't able to get kick started at home now with their own kids.  Afraid in  a peer comparisom society  that they'll teach them the "wrong stuf"f so they teach then nothing at all. And then turn them over to strangers and expect instant results.  Making the case for really strong early childhood, pre-K programs that, in a very conservative sense, didn't used to hardly exist or be seen as necessary because for the vast majority of little ones their parents were fairly literate and passed at least some of it along and they generally  weren't necessary.


The absolute best use a person who has a family can make fo their time as a parent is reading to and discussing what was read with 1-5 year old children.  There is no such thing as too much of it.  Whether they are going to go to a big school or little school.  City or rural. Public or private.  On the bus, walking or dropped off.  With the neighbor kids, or home schooled.  If people are going to continue to NOT do that, it is (unfortunately) necessary that the big bad governmetn step in and try to aleviate the consequences of them not doing so.


Early exposure to the concept of acquired learning is what has those Asian, and other,  nations beating our brains out in so many fields.  The teachers I talk to say theri  gravest dissapointment is when a perfectly able seeming parent who has a struggling elementray school child chasise them for not teaching their kid in a very short period fo time what they should have come to school knowing.  Those kids stay behind forever.

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Re: The problem is who stays in teaching

Bruce, what parent is afraid of teaching their kids the wrong stuff so they teach them nothing at all? How did this come about? What were these parents taught when they were kids?

Re: The problem is who stays in teaching

That was essentially my point.  It's in there somewhere.

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Re: The problem is who stays in teaching

I agree, the tenure system can add dead weight, but for those with tenure, do you realize how hard it is to get them off payroll? Especially in areas with a teacher's union? There are teachers in prison, with convictions, still drawing pay.
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Re: kids going into education?

I was in school "way back then" and I assure you we had dummies and trouble makers then. I think it is worse now but they were in school.
Red Steele
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Everything looks like a nail....

Instead of trying to figure out what the Asians do right, and get that back as part of our national framework, Bruce, you instinctively look for a nail for the hammer of government to pound.


Valid criticism????

Re: Everything looks like a nail....

Yes, its called progress, as in progressive. Never, never, ever is it considered that the problem is government intervention into peoples lives. In the last 100 years progressives have completely destroyed the cultural unit called the family. A father, mother, children and grandparents living as a cohesive unit is a statistical anomoly.  

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Re: Look at Romney vs Obama

What exactly was the business that rommey ran and hired and built?