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ollie2655
Senior Contributor

Re: we sure hope obalmo stays

on this type destructive policy till nov --all those unemployed will be sure and remember--and americans paying 4.00 for gas will remember--but they will mostly remember as the dumbest pretend leader in history

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: somebody else will have to answer

"available to the international market", GTO?  The quarter that I am renting right next door is also "available" for to rent Illinois Family Farms that are 350 miles from me, but at that distance I doubt that they are a problem.  As I understand it the oil will be refined in Houston ..this whole project is 20,000 jobs!  You know, President Obama has lamented that "America no longer does the big jobs", you only need to look at who is president to see why.  Even Newt Gingrich can beat this guy, it just doesn`t look like Obama wants re elected. Let`s be totally honest, the "peak oil" crowd is pissed pissed pissed the it`s taking us so long to run out of oil.  The tar sands piss `em off, ethanol piss `em off, the peak oilers just need to simmer down and realize that the real "peak oil" is 50 years down the road and even then there will be new sources coming that seem impossible today.  This GTO is what all this false flag environmental jibber jabber is all about.  It`s hard to keep a good country down.   

ollie2655
Senior Contributor

Regreat post

obamoites hate business so much they are blind to facts ---it is the jealousy showing up

Papa Wheelie
Senior Contributor

Venezuela, Saudi Arabia & Canada

GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: somebody else will have to answer

BA, I am beginning to worry about you, boy. Your sounding more like the Golden Boy Milligan! Your sounding desperate and fanatical! You are, not only that, full of sh!t! Obama has never, talked down America! NOT ONCE! Maybe it's time for a refresher course, from YouTube, proves your nuts!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSZi08RnLh4

You also must love listening to abject completely wrong bullsh!t about the number of jobs this thing is going to create, it's a lie, maybe 6500 temporary jobs, and the oil is NOT staying in the US, it's going to the highest bidder, it's not, as I've read it, even going to be refined here either. Your right-wing wacko websites are just wishing, they have nothing but their bullsh!t.

 

 

 

Milligan Hay - Iowa d:^)
Veteran Advisor

Re: somebody else will have to answer


@GreaTOne_65 wrote:

Geez, BA. You know the definition of an expert? Ex is an unknown, and pert is a drip. I wouldn't believe anything Keystone says. IT'S AN OIL COMPANY! They LIE! The definition of an expert? An unknown drip!


The only thing that you are an "expert" about is flying toy airplanes.  Why should anyone consider listening to anything that you say.   If you get your way, you will be walking your short chicken legs off back and forth to Mesa and Webberville.

Milligan Hay - Iowa d:^)
Veteran Advisor

Re: obalmo costs america an ally


@ollie 2655 wrote:

due to his inherited stupidity cananda now says it will sell its oil to asia because america wont build a pipeline to carry it ----you dont get much out of the projects and obalmo proves it almost daily---of course this move will cost america billions but what does he care about america--most muslims dont


A lot of the socialists want the oil to stay in the ground so that their form of dictatorships can attempt to take root.

 

None of this is going to happen.  The oil shippers are only inconvenienced a slight bit about the pipeline.   They are expanding the construction of rail shipping heads at the oil sites.  The oil is still being moved, only by rail instead.   In fact, they prefer the flexibility of using rail to ship the oil to where the price offered is the best.

 

The upside of this temporary setback on the pipeline is to get America's (and Canada's) rail infrastructure up to where it should be.  Once Zero is booted out, the pipeline will be built and the improved rail lines can be used for passenger and freight shipments that will be better than over-the-road trucks.

 

Here is a great article from Trains Magazine that underscores this well.....

 

http://trn.trains.com/en/Railroad%20News/News%20Wire/2012/01/Canadian%20National%20could%20benefit%2...

 

 

Canadian National could benefit from stalled pipeline

Published: January 19, 2012
VANCOUVER, B.C. — Oil companies operating in the Alberta oilsands region may begin shipping oil by rail after they failed to gain regulatory approval for a major pipeline, the Vancouver Sun has reported. Canadian National’s branch to the Fort McMurray, Alta., area has gained traffic on account of the oilsands, and could gain more as oil producers struggle to move their wares.
 
Transcanada Corp. had proposed the Keystone XL Pipeline, which would have carried crude from Alberta to the U.S. Gulf Coast. Amid election-year squabbles, and under pressure from environmental groups on one side and House Republicans on the other, the Obama administration denied the pipeline’s application yesterday.
 
“Shipping crude by rail is definitely a bridge,” said Martin King, with FirstEnergy Capital Corp. “The costs are definitely higher, but rail has been helping.”
 
James Cairns, CN’s vice president of petroleum and chemicals, encouraged oil producers to use his railroad at an industry conference in November 2010. Cairns specifically envisioned CN handling trains of crude from Fort McMurray to the Pacific Ocean ports of Kitimat and Prince Rupert, B.C., for export to Asia.
 
Rail shipment of petroleum was an anachronism until a few years ago, when oil producers in the Bakken oilshale began shipping unit trains to refiners. Producers in the formation, which underlies parts of North Dakota, Montana, and Saskatchewan, suffer from inadequate pipeline capacity. They Keystone KL was to siphon some of that oil away as it passed through North Dakota, so its cancellation could mean more traffic for railroads there as well.


bruce MN
Advisor

Re: obalmo costs america an ally

Anything that would speed up and expand the development of passanger rail would be a good thing.  Regardless of the poitics behind it.

GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: somebody else will have to answer

Hey, Craigo! Sorry to see your back, how long you going to stay around this time? Long enough for me you pin your ears back for you, again?

 

You think your so smart, let's see you put down $3000.00 and build one of those, "toy" airplanes!? You haven't got the guts, pal! It wouldnt' last 30 seconds! For all your artificial intelligence you claim, it would be way to comical.

 

Short chicken legs? Ya' got me there, Buckwheat. The way your going though, your never going to have to worry about it!! LOL!! Balin' hay, and cuttin' wood, ain't gonna get it, especially the way you do business.

Milligan Hay - Iowa d:^)
Veteran Advisor

Re: obalmo costs america an ally


@bruce MN wrote:

Anything that would speed up and expand the development of passenger rail would be a good thing.  Regardless of the poitics behind it.


I don't deny that.  Rail is the most effective, efficient, method of moving people and goods over the surface of the land.   Before I am dead and gone, I am betting that a LOT of those rails to bike trails will be back to rails again.  Nothing can beat the very low rolling resistance of steel wheels on steel rails.

 

This pipeline thing is only temporary, but if the railroad infrastructure can be built up in the meantime, the net results will be more than worth it.   I listen to the railroad frequencies on my scanner a lot.  The trains are now triple the number than what it was just a year ago....., most of it is energy related.

 

The fears over the pipeline is a red herring.  About 300 yards east of our farm is the main pipeline easement for Williams Bros. Pipelines that comes from Oklahoma to Des Moines.  There are ten lines in the ground and to my knowledge, has never sprung a leak.  All of the energy that keeps Des Moines and central Iowa going is put through those lines.