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Re: Democrats run away from Wisconsin

  You're right about the high level of professional services and dedication, especially education. My wife has many friends that teach at UW, as she has herself through her professional progression.

  If Walker would've played his cards right, there is a major area of sick and vacation days, and the accumulation and roll-over of them along with their buyout when retiring that needs to be addressed. The easy way out for both sides to discourage off-time abuse has been to hand out and accept money instead of other incentives like gym facilities participation. The amounts that are paid out each year to retiring folks that have accumulated sick time runs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and it's not only a major waste of taxpayer money, but it's a benefit that doesn't serve it's intended purpose obviously, not to mention that it's a benefit that the private sector doesn't have either. 

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Re: Democrats run away from Wisconsin

As a Democrat and long time union supporter I'm not real excited about what is going on in Wisconsin. The Governor isn't asking for much, but in light of the catagorical rejection of any of his proposals he played the de-unionization card.


State employees and teachers in MN and many other states already contribute more to their plans than Wisconsin is asking for .


There nees to be some universal recognition on the part of idealogical liberals/progressives, particularly those in the relatively well paid and job safe middle class groups, as teachers and most public employees would be, of the very serious economic straits that we are in.  A recognition and appreciation for the fact that they indeed do HAVE JOBS. Something becoming more rare by the day.


If these folks would put some of this energy into educating themselves as to how this crisis came about and would protest as vigorously over the lack of oversight of the banks who hold the pensions in their protfolios they'd be likely to do more good.


Once the numbers that preciptated these protests become more widely distributed and understood it's going to provide considerable fodder for the plutocratic right, who of course are even less interested in our monetary problems being adressed but they'll play it like a Beethoven symphony. They've got the people capable of and experienced in doing that. The Democrats have a bunch of wimps in those slots.


I wake up every moring wanting more and more to be a practicing Republican only to find that there isn't any Republicanism to practice.  



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Re: Democrats run away from Wisconsin

On GMA they said the averge gov`t employee makes $48k the Governor says taking it down to $44k solves the budget problem.  With the Democrats all out in exile and the gov`t workers storming the Capitol like a bunch of spoiled brats.  One wonders how much sympathy they will get from those of us in the real world of 19% real unemployment.  See, states don`t have the luxury of `printing` away their problems like the Feds do.

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Get the Facts Straight BA

  • They did not have budget problem until Scott got some tax cuts through for this fiscal year. 
  • The Governor wants to take away the right to collectively bargain That is the issue.
  • The state workers took 16  days off without pay in the last year to  balance the budget
  • The union are willing to talk about paying more into pension but not give up there right to collectively bargain but the Walker does not want to discuss the issue at all
  • Call out the National Guard! Please Stop acting like a Dictator


The reason we have 40 hour work week, insurance, holidays off, vacation pay, child labor laws are because of the unions. Whether you are in a union member  or not you have benefited from the union bargaining  So lets talk about the real issue.  The Republican party wants to break the public sector  union. They already broke the private sector ones. That is there are proposal in Ohio, Pennsylvania,Florida, Virginia to strip the right of union to collectively bargain. Who supports this but Club for Growth. Who supports Club for Growth?Surprise the Koch brothers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They want to break the Unions pure and simple. Why do they want to break the Union. Because they get people to vote. They want all the power and money.  Now if you are for this just send your check to the Koch Brothers. Wait you already do.  You buy diesel fuel for your farm



So if you this is not about the budget at all. It is all about the power and the money!

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Read this Hawken and BA about how we got to were we are to day

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Re: Democrats run away from Wisconsin

  Yes they do have it pretty good. I think the major rub of all this is Walker trying to dictate their rights, as to what areas they can bargain on. Then he has mandated some things that apply to their union and/or it's constitution or by-laws, which he has no more authority to dictate any of than than he does to dictate the same actions on the Kiwanis Club.

  From what my wife has told me in a recap of numerous conversations with her friends, those actions above(which probably are illegal) and add in the fact that the budget mess is compounded by his political payback schemes, that they would more than likely concede some ground incrementally on a lot of the issues.

  Apparently this is a unified effort throughout the nation by the republican party, and as usual, their pet projects or selected corporate welfare and handouts has been left untouched, or increased. Walker shot himself in the foot over the train project and will pay a hard price for that along with this standoff, and handouts to cronies.

  If my m-in-law makes the news, I'll post a clip of the Raging Grannies. I haven't been asked to round up any bodies for security for them yet, and they're probably pretty safe anyway. No cop has the stones or will to arrest them either, because they're a feisty bunch.

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Re: Get the Facts Straight BA

My hat is off to you, wg! You have done a great service, explaining what is going on, and if anyone read the article, it's easy to see how the problem arose. Actually it's the states problem for putting the pension funds in Wall Street, so it should be up to the states, to figure out how to get it back, other than punish the people who had faith that they were doing the right thing with their money. What it really all boils down to is the constant assault on the Unions and the American worker by the Republicans. It's time they find out WHO RUNS THIS COUNTRY! Throw the GOP bums out!

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Re: Get the Facts Straight BA

@GreaTOne_65 wrote:

My hat is off to you, wg! You have done a great service, explaining what is going on, and if anyone read the article, it's easy to see how the problem arose. Actually it's the states problem for putting the pension funds in Wall Street, so it should be up to the states, to figure out how to get it back, other than punish the people who had faith that they were doing the right thing with their money. What it really all boils down to is the constant assault on the Unions and the American worker by the Republicans. It's time they find out WHO RUNS THIS COUNTRY! Throw the GOP bums out!

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

ACORN stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.' Rev. Jeremiah Wright then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the GovernmentGreenCzar.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in (which just happens to be the ant's old house), crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is later found dead in a drug-related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2012, and throw the democrat / socialistic leeches out.


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Walker created the "deficit" to reward donors

  Here's an article that shows how the "deficit" was created by Gov. Walker to somehow justify his proposed bill, because the media has conveniently not mentioned any of these facts.


Walker gins up ‘crisis’ to reward cronies


But Gov. Scott Walker is not making tough choices. He is making political choices, and they are designed not to balance budgets but to improve his political position and that of his party.

It is for this reason that the governor claims Wisconsin is in such deep financial trouble that Wisconsinites should view this as a crisis moment.

In fact, like just about every other state in the country, Wisconsin is managing in a weak economy. The difference is that Wisconsin is managing better -- or at least it had been managing better until Walker took over. Despite shortfalls in revenue following the economic downturn that hit its peak with the Bush-era stock market collapse, the state has balanced budgets, maintained basic services and high-quality schools, and kept employment and business development steadier than the rest of the country. It has managed so well, in fact, that the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau recently released a memo detailing how the state will end the 2009-2011 budget biennium with a budget surplus.

In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state’s budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.

To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes -- or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues -- the “crisis” would not exist.



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Re: Democrats run away from Wisconsin

I can assure that if the collective bargaining chip is taken away, you have defanged the people's voice and it doesn't matter if it is a big corporation or a school district, workers' conditions of their job will be in the toilet before very much time has passed.  Perfect example is Boeing.  Seattle plant is union, Mesa plant is not.  In Mesa, first they make much less money than Seattle and then there are the little things like mandatory meetings scheduled during employees' lunch breaks with no other time allowed for them to eat their lunches.  They don't earn as much leave time as fast either.  Don't get me wrong.  It is still a good job but not as good as the same job in Seattle and Long Beach and things could go wrong in a heartbeat as they do in many other jobs without some checks and balances available to the workers.