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Senior Advisor

Re: Re:Just pointing out the obvious....

Bush $500 billion deficit. The amazing part is Bush passed the almost $800 billion Bank bailout in the last quarter of 2008 and still only had a $500 billion deficit. If he hadn't done the bank bailout he would have had a $300 billion surplus!

 

Do you suppose there is a little creative math on the part of your cartoonist?

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One really big difference, Mr. Stalin, George deserved everything he got! Name one thing those idiots did FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? Obama can never top this.



chance compare president obama president bush

These are facts taken from Historians that studied the Bush presidency: http://hnn.us/articles/5019.html

* Presided over the loss of approximately three million American jobs in his first two-and-a-half years in office, the worst record since Herbert Hoover.

* Overseen an economy in which the stock market suffered its worst decline in the first two years of any administration since Hoover’s.

* Taken, in the wake of the terrorist attacks two years ago, the greatest worldwide outpouring of goodwill the United States has enjoyed at least since World War II and squandered it by insisting on pursuing a foolish go-it-almost-alone invasion of Iraq, thereby transforming almost universal support for the United States into worldwide condemnation. (One historian made this point particularly well: “After inadvertently gaining the sympathies of the world 's citizens when terrorists attacked New York and Washington, Bush has deliberately turned the country into the most hated in the world by a policy of breaking all major international agreements, declaring it our right to invade any country that we wish, proving that he’ll manipulate facts to justify anything he wishes to do, and bull-headedly charging into a quagmire.”)

* Misled (to use the most charitable word and interpretation) the American public about weapons of mass destruction and supposed ties to Al Qaeda in Iraq and so into a war that has plainly (and entirely predictably) made us less secure, caused a boom in the recruitment of terrorists, is killing American military personnel needlessly, and is threatening to suck up all our available military forces and be a bottomless pit for the money of American taxpayers for years to come.

* Failed to follow through in Afghanistan, where the Taliban and Al Qaeda are regrouping, once more increasing the threat to our people.
* Insulted and ridiculed other nations and international organizations and now has to go, hat in hand, to those nations and organizations begging for their assistance.

* Completely miscalculated or failed to plan for the personnel and monetary needs in Iraq after the war, so that he sought and obtained an $87 billion appropriation for Iraq, a sizable chunk of which is going, without competitive bidding to Haliburton, the company formerly headed by his vice president.

* Inherited an annual federal budget surplus of $230 billion and transformed it into a $500+ billion deficit in less than three years. This negative turnaround of three-quarters of a trillion dollars is totally without precedent in our history. The ballooning deficit for fiscal 2004 is rapidly approaching twice the dollar size of the previous record deficit, $290 billion, set in 1992, the last year of the administration of President Bush’s father and, at almost 5 percent of GDP, is closing in on the percentage record set by Ronald Reagan in 1986.

* Cut taxes three times, sharply reducing the burden on the rich, reclassified money obtained through stock ownership as more deserving than money earned through work. The idea that dividend income should not be taxed—what might accurately be termed the unearned income tax credit—can be stated succinctly: “If you had to work for your money, we’ll tax it; if you didn’t have to work for it, you can keep it all.”

* Severely curtailed the very American freedoms that our military people are supposed to be fighting to defend. (“The Patriot Act,” one of the historians noted, “is the worst since the Alien and Sedition Acts under John Adams.”)

* Called upon American armed service people, including Reserve forces, to sacrifice for ever-lengthening tours of duty in a hostile and dangerous environment while he rewards the rich at home with lower taxes and legislative giveaways and gives lucrative no-bid contracts to American corporations linked with the administration.

* Given an opportunity to begin to change the consumption-oriented values of the nation after September 11, 2001, when people were prepared to make a sacrifice for the common good, called instead of Americans to ‘sacrifice’ by going out and buying things.

* Proclaimed himself to be a conservative while maintaining that big government should be able to run roughshod over the Bill of Rights, and that the government must have all sorts of secrets from the people, but the people can be allowed no privacy from the government. (As one of the historians said, “this is not a conservative administration; it is a reckless and arrogant one, beholden to a mix of right-wing ideologues, neo-con fanatics, and social Darwinian elitists.”)

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Re: Re:Another poison thread

I would agree some things are made up about Obama and some have some truth to them. One thing that would make anyone wonder is why some much controversy over this president. From the shady characters he tried to get on his staff, his birth certificate, his background, his muslim ties(which might be bull who knows) and all the other crap. I would think alot has to do with his lackluster job in office that you hear somemany negative things about him. Of course noone could expect much out of a guy that spent a couple years as a senator and wham , now is president.

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Re: Re:Another poison thread

There is no doubt about his faith. There is no doubt about his citizenship and it was not caused by his lack luster performance in the white. The onslaught against him was started long before he took office as the losers could not stand losing. Especially to an n-word.

 

Every post like this is one more attempt to cast a shadow of doubt about this president. Such a cry baby bunch of losers and that is what they are losers.

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Re: Re:Just pointing out the obvious....

And what creative math might that be? Is it something like an $800 billion  package that you "forgot" to include in the Bush $500 billion deficit.

 

Don't try to tap dance around it. You were caught in a bald faced lie!

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Re: Re:Just pointing out the obvious....

 

Were you trying to list Bush's debt contribution for one year or his whole term.  Here's the hard data.  In fact one could make another adjustment and exclude 01 and add 09 since the new president's budget doesn't begin until September. 

 

Table Of US Debt Fiscal year (begins
10/01 of prev. year) Value % of GDP 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
$144.5 billion1.4%
$409.5 billion3.9%
$589.0 billion5.5%
$605.0 billion5.3%
$523.0 billion4.3%
$536.5 billion4.1%
$459.5 billion3.4%
$962.0 billion(proj.) 6.8%

The cumulative debt of the United States in the past seven completed fiscal years was approximately $4.08 trillion, or about 40.8% of the total national debt at the time of that completion of approximately $10.0 trillion.

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Re: Re:Another poison thread

And do you think he was voted in on his merits and not 99% because he was black and that was the right thing to do and the changing of the times. His performance in office is less than pleasing. If he gets voted out in 2012 that will blow a big fart in your therory of everyone is racist.

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Re: Re:Just pointing out the obvious....

Bruce, this is why the repubs were voted out of office. In 06 the dems ran on a platform of fiscal responsibility. They were voted in because the people believed them. Now the people don't. They also don't believe the RINO repubs. The voters are not voting for a party, they are voting for the people they believe will best represent their views. They are tired of spending. They know it is ruining the economy and they also know one day it has to be paid for.

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Re: Re:Another poison thread

No, he was voted in because he was not GW Bush, John McCain or republican.  The onslaught against him is a product of a campaign to discredit and deny him any success. The same kind of campaign mounted against Bill Clinton.  The dastardly neocon right are at war with the left and the moderates and losing an election does not call for a patriotic armistice between parties. No! The campaign is ongoing and continuous with no effort to find common ground.

 

The wingnut objective is to stop progress whether they are in power or not. Thus if nothing gets done, that is fine because that is their objective, to stop progress.

 

The tactics they use are disgusting. A continuous campaign of deception heavily sprinkled with racism or code words for racism. Gingrich's recent comments concern the Kenyan was not an accident. Obviously the president is a Kenyan a man of color and not one of us. Convince me that is not racism.