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what are a group of horses called

hey guyys just woundering what a group of horses are called EG: sheep flock thanks Smiley Happy Smiley Happy

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Re: what are a group of horses called

Herd, I believe.

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Re: what are a group of horses called

I would agree with Knapper but here are a couple of terms for special groups.

A team, often only 2 but they do have 8 team hitches.

A stable, usually refers to the building they are kept in but sometimes used as 'The ABC racing stable' to refer to all the racing horses owned or trained by ABC.

 But for most purposes a group of horses in a field or in the wild, Knapper is correct, a herd.

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Re: what are a group of horses called

A band or herd of feral horses. Commonly known as wild horses by many folks. Visit wikipedi if you want further lessons if horse history in the new world. Our mustangs are cayuses in Canada.

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Re: what are a group of horses called

An affliction.
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Re: That's Easy

That's easy, if they are owned by a lucky individual who knows how to have an enjoyable weekend riding them in the country..... a potential good customer of mine.

 

If they are among the growing group of dumped horses in various state parks because the insane democrats passed a law preventing any reasonable market for old worn out horses in the United States, ...... a result of liberal consequences upon the American people.

 

Read more at One Million Horses dot com:  http://www.amillionhorses.com/

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Re: That's Easy

Reading you link made me ill.  I've had horses and loved horses.  To see that kind of treatment makes me ill.  The people that passed that law should be treated the same way.

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Re: That's Easy

Shutting down horse slaughter and meat exportation (and consumption, I see from one fo the links at the article, in some states....including some bright red ones, was a really stupid thing to do. I was vehmently opposed at the time and remain even more so today. These situations depicted in the article were very predictable.  It was dumb as h#ll.

 

But how was it all to be laid on"Democrats"? Didn't someone have to approve and sign the bill in 2007? Or was it simply an administrative order from some desk jockey at USDA in...2007?

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Re: Who Caused This Situation?????


@bruce MN wrote:

Shutting down horse slaughter and meat exportation (and consumption, I see from one fo the links at the article, in some states....including some bright red ones, was a really stupid thing to do. I was vehemently opposed at the time and remain even more so today. These situations depicted in the article were very predictable.  It was dumb as h#ll.

 

But how was it all to be laid on"Democrats"? Didn't someone have to approve and sign the bill in 2007? Or was it simply an administrative order from some desk jockey at USDA in...2007?



What is Causing the Situation?


America’s last remaining horse-processing plant closed September 21, 2007. The closure resulted from an Illinois State law(5) prohibiting horse slaughter for human consumption overseas. It was signed by Governor Rod Blagojevich.

Two plants in Texas were previously shuttered when the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals(6) reaffirmed that horse slaughter for human consumption is illegal in the state. 

Six states prohibit consumption of horse meat: California, Illinois, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Texas, and Florida.California outlawed the processing of horses for human  consumption by putting horses under the same pet classification as dogs and cats. The State's voters approved Proposition 6(7)in 1998.

In 2006, the USDA reported 138,206(1) American horses were processed for meat, both for human consumption and to feed captive carnivores. Of those, 102,260 were sent to U.S. facilities, 24,866 to Canadian facilities, and 11,080 to Mexican facilities. 

The U.S. plant closures were hailed as victories by animal rights activists, who said horses would no longer be killed for human consumption. A high-quality, low-fat protein source, horse meat is eaten in Austria, Belgium, Canada, Chili, China, France, Germany, Iceland, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Malta, Mongolia, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

Since the U.S.  plant closures, USDA figures show an increased number of American horses are being processed in foreign facilities. In 2008, close to 80,000 horses were shipped from the United States to Mexico. Approximately 40,000 went to Canada. The USDA's numbers are based on owner/shipper certificates corroborated with other sources. [Osborne 2009]

The well-intended legislation enacted to help horses has its critics. An historically-established segment of American industry was forced out of business, leaving horse owners with reduced sales opportunities. Horses being sent to foreign processing plants now face longer trips. And, since buyers must pay more for the extended trips--up to $200 per head--the market for lower classes of horses (mean, dangerous, excess, aged, infirmed, untrained) has plummeted.

The cost of keeping a horse has not. Exacerbated by a downturn in the U.S. economy, horse owners are facing a costly burden of maintaining animals they find difficult to support. Unfortunate horses are facing less-than-humane treatment. It is difficult, if not impossible, for people to sell animals they no longer want, need, or can afford. Indeed, it can be impossible to give a horse away, and then there is the concern about how the animal may be treated by the new owner.

Demand for services at horse rescue centers and sanctuaries(3) is up. Some established centers are reporting a ten-fold increase within the past year, and budgets are stretched to the breaking point. They are able to provide but a fraction of the care needed to address the current population, let alone the numbers of horses that will be added in successive years. Sadly, in a few instances, well-meaning horse rescuers are themselves being overwhelmed, with the horses they vowed to protect being starved yet again.

Across the United States, horses are being turned loose and left to fend for themselves. Some have had identifying brands cut from their hides to make tracing ownership impossible. Others are being found in corrals and stables without feed or water, the owners having walked away from the problem.

There are groups and individuals who believe horse slaughter is inhumane, that horses should be allowed to live out their natural lives regardless of age, infirmity, or illness. Some dispute the fact that there is an abandonment problem, contending the few cases there are result strictly from the downturn in the economy.

Those advocating for the option of processing unwanted horses in the United States--including many horsemen and horsewomen--feel neglect and abandonment are equally inhumane. They are sounding the alarm of a developing crisis involving the American equine industry. They believe the problem  is, first and foremost, caused by plant closures and made worse by the economy. 
 

Additional Reference:
Osborne, Malinda. 3/1/09. "Horse slaughter conditions in Mexico explored by AAEP group,"JAVMA

 

 In Florida....

It was interesting to see how some members of the Florida Congressional delegation voted Thursday on the bill to outlaw the slaughtering horses for meat. Not surprisingly Katherine Harris of Longboat Key was absent – she does have a Republican Senate race to run. But Democratic gubernatorial candidate Jim Davis of Tampa voted in favor of the ban. Others voting yes, and thereby pleasing animal lovers, included Republicans John Mica of Winter Park, Ric Keller of Orlando, Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Weston and Democrat Corrine Brown of Jacksonville. Voting with the White House and horse doctors not to ban the slaughter were Republicans Tom Feeney of Oviedo, Ginny Brown-Waite of Crystal River, Cliff Stearns of Ocala and  Dave Weldon of Indialantic. The bill’s future is uncertain in the Senate and Congress plans to finish the session by the end of the month.

 

It was passed with a majority of democrats and some stupid republican votes, pushed hard by the Humane Society of the U.S.   They (the HSUS) went at the Congress critters and Senators with more organization and tenacity, than ten Tea Party groups combined over taxes.  They even boycotted any riding stable, church camps, any business that did not support the ban on horse slaughter.   They even targeted me to some extent because I openly spoke out against the closing of the plants that dispose of unwanted horses in a more humane way than to let them starve to death, or see them shot and left to rot at the end of many dead end mud roads.

 

This is an example of one of the organizations that sought to target businesses and congress people that did not support their efforts to ban horse slaughter plants in this country:

 

 http://www.equineprotectionnetwork.com/saveamericashorses/action.htm

 Let Your Dollars Do the Talking for You!

This issue is about money! Let's face facts, our U.S. Congress is bought and sold and does not represent the average American. That is why people attend $1000.00 a plate dinners. That is why there are lobbyists. If you want your voice heard in Congress, it is going to cost you. If you want to Save America's Horses, send money to your elected officials election campaign or a national party such as the Democrats or the Republicans instead of a horse rescue. What!! I guarantee you that if you send money to an elected official's campaign or party, your letters and calls will receive a very different response than the person who does not send money! Your donation of $500.00 to a rescue may save one life; your donation of $500.00 to a legislative campaign has the potential to save thousands of America's Horses.

The EPN is facing facts, that does not mean the EPN likes the facts or agrees with the facts. The EPN does know how it works though in politics and the EPN's goal is to see America's Horses saved. If the animal welfare organizations lobbying to end horse slaughter refuse to hire the best lobbyists available, then it is time Americans took matters into their own hands and donate to the politicians who have the power to Save America's Horses. I guarantee you, your donation will get your voice heard in Congress more than your donation to a horse welfare organization. Money talks.

Since Money talks, use it to make your voice heard. Organizations, businesses, companies and magazines depend on your financial support to operate and exist. The EPN is asking you to withdraw your financial support from any organization, business, company or magazine that is pro slaughter, or who is opposed to the ending of the slaughter of America's horses. This includes riding stables, summer camps, therapeutic riding stables. Many of the horses utilized at these facilities are disposed of through dealers and horse auctions resulting in a final and brutal end at a horse slaughterhouse.

 

Here is the list of co-sponsors of the House Bill: 

 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR00503:@@@P

 

And here is the list for the US Senate: 

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110Smiley FrustratedN00311:@@@P

 

As time has well proven, I was correct in the way the outcome resulted.

 

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Re: Who Caused This Situation?????

I'd pulled up the first article from the original site...was referrig to 'red" Texas, Mississippi. Florida having passed laws.

 

Didn't read your other links. Was there a veto from the Whitehouse and then an overide? Or did it pass with such a margin that a veto wouln't have been an issue. If so, then one h#ll of alot of Republicans must have voted for it.

 

Crazy thing abou these laws is that they came about outside of the usual realm of crony capitalism. Who was supposed to beneift? The plants in Canada and Mexico mabye? NAFTA involved somehow.

 

For sure, in the end, not the first horse. A bolt popped into the skull and a quick trip to that big race track, corral or pasture in the sky a much better fate than what has happened.

 

And nobody realizes just how tough it is to dispose of a dead horse. You pretty much have to commit a crime in this state to do so. Rendering works won't take them. Almost impossible tocompost them...and not legal either. And burial needs to be above a prescribed water table line that is virtually non-existent in most of it. Sending them off to a place where a good % of the animal can be recycled for useful nutrition helps with some of the disosal and attendant environmental issues.

 

Is there still a market for hides? Starving and eventually rotting in the desert or freezing to the tundra can't be good for that.