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buckfarmer
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Re: COC not much tillage done

Hey Jim do you put on any liquid with the planter. Pop up, 2x2, or even nitrogen. I don't have any thing on my planter to put any on but keep thinking about modifying my panter or upgrading planters. Seems like some fertwould be a bigger help when notilling COC.
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idalivered
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Re: COC not much tillage done

In my part of north iowa, i would not plant coc without fall tillage. Beans, yes. I might try it if i could do some tillage very early or my landlord insisted on it or some type of conservation plan was in place. We have heavy soils and heavy residue. I know i'll get flamed for this, but just my opinion. I have a little striptill coc and even that is done in the fall. I can only think of one notill coc filed i've ever seen here. That one was on lighter soils and good weather. It looked great, but never saw them do it again..

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ECIN
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Re: COC not much tillage done

Good - Good Sunday Morning !

 

Disclaimer -  I'm NO expert - Smiley Happy

 

But I have always run cutters on my N-T planter - To me - they cut the trash  and that keeps the wippers from fighting which way to throw it , It also precuts the dirt - so that the openers don't do all the work , from what I have seen - the seed is at the same depth and have a more equal emergence = pretty stand - the same height .

 

I have been adding 10 gpa of 10-34-0 --- 2x2 - but for this year - I'm pretty sure that I'm upping that to 15 gpa of a 50 / 50 blend of 10-34-0 and 28 % - that would give me a 19-17-0 @ 15 gpa = 30 units of N and 28 units of P .

 

The corn plant lives of the seed till ?  somewhere around V- 3 - Three leafs and collars showing - then it weans its self and lives off of the root system - With the added N at this stage - is what I'm going for - to get the roots heading south -  BUT this is just me - from Indiana - Smiley Happy

 

To me N-Ting -- You just need to know your farm - dirt - it's all different and there are many ways to get to the same point -

 

BTW - forgot this on - I have a new set of spike closing wheels to go on -  well on one side and will keep the rubber wheel on the other .

 

Have fun and good luck !

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JCCWIS
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Re: COC not much tillage done

Thanks Ken....You make me feel like I'm ahead of the game. As in your new starter plan......I am alittle different.....2/3 28% and   1/3  10-34-0. Now if I can get some planted this coming Spring !!! Still have Fed. Crop Ins. if needed !!!

 

 Sooooooo....you are going to modify the "New" planter ???? Spiked closer to help break down seed trench around seed in wet areas ???????   Just wondering ???/   John

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ECIN
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Re: COC not much tillage done

Yes John , I got a new set to go as soon as it warms up some - lol

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Shaggy98
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Re: COC not much tillage done

What's it like planting into wet conditions? Been a while since we've had to fight mud here in the "New Sahara".
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farmerguy89
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Re: COC not much tillage done

your going to get 5-8% yield gain in corn on rotation in any texture other than a coarse one.

 

your going to get even more yield gain in continuous corn from tillage, except for in coarse soils.

 

Unless water is severely limiting in your area, tillage would likely add bushels.

 

notill corn acres are flat each year, likely due to poor yields in no till, except for water deprived environments/soils. notill soys/ wheat and everything else continues to rise. the only other crop I can find that also consistently responds to tillage is canola!

 

some guys struggle with notilling soys into corn. the research suggests your only getting 0-2 bushels to tillage in soys.. so is it really worth it? no, but in those fields that need more tile, it probably pays. unfortunately, that stops myself from being all no till at this point.

 

im told that notill corn on corn is super difficult... and that a coulter and row cleaner is necessary. my own conventional corn on corn was a strange experience. the stalks would get caught in the closing wheels.. it is yielding very well, but we had a good season. will know by spring how corn on corn fares in my little experiement here.

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