Technology and the Law question/ volunteer corn?

[sw363535]

I live in an enviroment that promotes continuous corn..... 

For several years when tech seed started, we took care of volunteer corn in a nice rotation.   Conventional corn, followed by RR corn, followed by Liberty corn, followed by a rotation to wheat or beans, then back to conventional corn............

Worked beautifully.  Then we get Liberty/RR combined.

Last year we planted a field of conventional from a company with "Nebraska" in their name and this year we can't kill the volunteer.....

Now we are using selectmax a week ahead of planting with limited success.....

It seems that when you introduce a deviation to the law,,,,,, like "refuge in a bag".....( which for us is a guaranteed 5 or 10% stand loss).......... then the gloves are off and a bag can have a certain amount of almost anything...

Anybody else bothered by this........?

[ECIN]

Yeah that refuge in the bag do's the same here - as they say to make it simple to comply with - and to help for resistance - but really here - it's a sell gimick to me - since the first year I planted it - I was at 33,690 or close to that - now I'm at 35,000 to make up the difference I'm lossing - It's still better than messing around with a refuge area .

Had a neighbor split his 12 row with gmo and the other 6 with non = refuge - man what a train wreck - 6 rows standing - 6 rows dam near flat - it only took one year to cure that problem -

btw sw - from what i have seen here when using select - is it may not kill the plant - but the corn will not put on an ear

[sw363535]

Ecin on that btw sw note ------- I hadn't noticed that ..... I will watch more carefully....  

We just want it gone so it doesn't use water...... smaxx does work but if there is a clump of vcorn we kill the outside ones and the protected ones survive.....  This year seems like more than usual....  

My view of the refuge issue ----- as you say "sales pitch"---- I think the real benefit is they can get rid of their odd and end seed.  Totally to the benefit of the seed companies....

We had another from the same company last year.......... We had some weed escapes and some volunteer  in one field that was Refuge IBag.....

We decided to spray it with liberty since the variety was RRLL and was soon to canopy....  Was RR the year before.....

We found out the hard way that the Refuge was not bt or LL.....