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Urban (or rural) legend question

I'm wondering if anyone has ever heard of this one.  Story is that when atrazine was originally marketed 50+ years ago, many farmers were still a little uneasy with this chemical stuff.  To counter that, the company had their reps do a demonstration where they'd mix a little in a beaker with water and down it in front of the crowd.

 

This is technically possible because atrazine doesn't have a very high acute toxicity level- the problems that are associated with atrazine (disputed) arre more from long term chronic exposure.

 

BTW, I once calculated that I've probably received somewhere between 100,000 and 10,000,000 times the lifetime exposure to atrazine that someone living in a city who drank water 3X above the federal limit 30 days a year. Estimates based on dermal versus oral exposure, a SWAG for the fact that in he old glugajug days we weren't nearly as well protected as today, etc.

 

Which doesn't mean I'm not in favor of keeping atrazine out of water, at all.

 

Anyway, anybody ever hear that story?

 

PS. as to the bit about my lifetime exposure, I'm pretty healthy except for a little twitch.

 

PPS- the takeaway from that calculation is that people who really need to be concerned about exposure to pesticides are farmers and their families and employees. Almost all of the potential health concerns are very highly dose sensitive.

 

That's why 2 aspirins will cure your headache and do all sorts of other good things to a lesser extent and 50 will kill you.

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small correction

I checked, the oral LD50 of aspirin is 1750 mg/kg bodyweight.

 

So it would actually take something like 500 aspirin to kill the wimpier half of group of 200 pound people.

 

Not that taking 50 is recommended under any circumstances.

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highyields
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Re: Urban (or rural) legend question

I have no idea about atrazine but My grandpa told me that when they use to go get 2-4D the guy use to tell him to wear rubber gloves, overshoes and a rubber apron,  course we all know that didn't happen.  

 

 

 

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lol.

 

Yeah, I remember my Dad sending me out to spray fence rows with 2,4,5-T back in the day without anything but a rubber glove. Nozzle plugged you'd take a wire and ream it out.

 

In regards to the agent orange thread, that was the really bad half of the mix.

 

However, worth noting that as I said above, this stuff is highly dose sensitive and the stuff they were dropping out of planes was pure, undiluted AI.

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I heard that demonstration was with malathion. Was it back in the 80's when california had some type of fly invasion threatening their fruit crops?

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And I heard the same story about a Monsanto rep mixing up a Lasso cocktail at a producer meeting and downing it.

 

3 differnet chemicals? 3 regions (presumably) of the country.????

 

I'm casting a vote for myth.

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Yeah, I'll go with that.

 

I've know a number of people who have heard the story, a few who claim to know someone who claimed to have witnessed it, nobody who actually has.

 

Probably has in some isolated incident, somewhere, but I doubt it was anyone's policy.

 

A true story- several years ago there was a big brouhaha over permitting for a dutch dairy in EC IN.  At a public hearing one of the opponents made the dramatization of taking a beaker of water and dripping some nasty pit manure into it so it would darken up nicely for the crowd.  The cobbleknocker strode to the front and downed the whole beaker.

 

True story, covered by the press. As I recall, they never got a permit at that site but maybe somebody closer recalls the outcome.

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Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor

Re: small correction

If I remember correctly, to get FDA approval, a product has to be proven 'safe' at something like 50 or 100X the recommended dose.  The ironic thing is that neither air nor water would never meet that requirement.

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I remembered. It was the mediterranean fruit fly invasion. If I remember right, there was alot of drama surrounding the spraying of most of cAlifornia. I guess we all survived it. that was along time ago.

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jrsiajdranch
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When I was in COllege I saw a demonstration where a RU rep drank the stuff. I wouldn't ever try it!

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