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Blacksandfarmer
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Big price at land rent auction?

I have a farmer friend/coworker who informed me of a land rent auction last week of a 1,700 acre farm located in the area of southern Hillsdale county Michigan and northern Williams county Ohio brought a price of $320 an acre for a one year lease! This would be double current land rent for this area, I was just wondering if anybody on this talk group had went to this auction to verify this information. Apparently an Indiana farmer picked up this ground, hopefully he knows its not 200 bushel corn ground.

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James22
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Re: Big price at land rent auction?

Covered a bit over on agtalk.  It was suggested the Michigan ground corn yield would be around 130-140 bu/acre with the Ohio ground considerably better.  Tenant is  required to maintain the current crop split which is around 50/50.  But assuming all corn and an overall average yield of 160 bu/acre and $6.50 corn, the gross would be $1040 acre.  Roughly $500 in/out and the $320 rent still results in a decent profit and you still get the government payments.  Will easily work this year and probably next.

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Red Steele
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who is paying $6.50 for 2011 new crop corn? Let me know if the Michigan basis is a positive one. If you are renting ground and relying on a market spike to make it work, then maybe you should just invest in some corn future contracts and sell them when that spike occurs. A lot less work.

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James22
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Tenant said he sold some fall corn for $6.50 so that was the info used.  No idea about Michigan or Ohio bids but thought with the potential of a Great Lakes outlet  the basics would be similar.   However do agree the requirement for some beans could easily lower this anticipated return, but it still would make money. 

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"CBS Sunday Morning" today featured ciommentary by Ben Stein.  I like his simple means of explaining complex concepts...today's was stagflation. 

He pointed to price increaes largely due to industrial and agricultural commodity hikes of late.  China is in short supply, as is Australia and South America.  Too many people chasing too few comodities equals inlfation. 

He noted that while unemployment and foreclosure are problems, they affect relatively few people, percentagewise; but, inflation affects virtually everyone.  True, if you accept that unemployment, which is about double its normal rate nationwide.  Foreclosures, which are far worse than that, still only involve a part of that portion of the population that owned a mortgaged home.  We all have to eat, eventually buy new clothing, and fuel/energy  is factored into every price we pay. 

We are noticing gasoline price hikes, of course, and food is going up noticeably.  News this week was that clothing will go up quite drastically, due to cotton prices.  These demonstrations we are seeing internmationally often haev to do with basic human needs becoming less affordable for the masses.  . 

 In the same timeframe, the FED is printing new money, which devalues all of our currency, and issugin it to banks.  Banks are sitting on this money supply.  No stimululation of business is being felt, thus no hiring  is materializing.   Stagnation. 

I think that stagflation is the worst case scenario some of you have written about in the past.  I believe that I've also heard it called an "inflationary recession," but is that a horse of another color?  I've spent a lifetime focusing on the microeconomics of our household and farms.  I guess I've always felt that pennies turn into dollars, so tried to hold onto a few when possible. 

This is a tough puzzle for me.  Macroeconomics is so subject to political manipulation and misrepresentation.  I don't know who to believe anymore...but Ben is so easy to understand, I think I will listen to his analysis, at least for now. 

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cowfarmer
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It probably works, but man a short crop of 100  or 100 bushels to the acre woould probably squeeze that awful thin.

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Here's a link to the discussion over at NewAgTalk.

http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=215081&mid=1619889#M1619889

 

I read through it...decided there was a lot of rumor surrounding the actual rent...and who ended up with the contract. Sounds like a lot of it was already fall tilled...and that helps a "Lot" on that heavy clay in MI. If it had to be no-tilled this spring..you would hope there was darn good drainage in it. I'm surprised one of the local BTO's wasn't the winner..there's a farmer in Lyon's who supposedly has 17000 acres under contract..and that's right down the road from this property.

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k-289
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Good point Kay on"stagflation" being a two headed monster--hope the land and the demand for food will shield us for the time being ?  The point of the amount of cash laying around idle with out any viable place for it to make for a positive cash flow has finally showed up---never figured out how a 500k mortgage for 30 years in a non producing asset was a great idea to begin with ?

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All the stories about big rent and high land prices cause me to worry.  We have had some very good years here, but I have some ground we have farmed for over 30 years and remember the years we were not able to plant anything until June, the year I won the seed company yield contest with 90 bushel corn,  the year(s) harvest price was so much lower than planting season prices.  My conservative streak is glowing right now and I can't decide if I am being a pessimist or a realist.

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Blacksandfarmer
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Looks like I was partly misinformed.The land went to two different farmers and averaged $370 an acre! I know guys in that area are getting uneasy with that kind of rent in the area. My farmer friend was thinking this looks like the late 70's going into the 80's with lots of optimism but could end in a BIG bust. I will be able to drive by this farm this summer to check crop conditions since its only a county away. I know a good farmer in that area that averaged 160 bushel corn and 30 bushel beans last year and he is farming in some of the good Ohio ground as mentioned in Pupdaddys post. Most years this area of Ohio would be pushing 50 or 60 bushel beans but last year a dry spell settled into that area in August causing lower bean yields.

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