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sw363535
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Comfortable with 9% unemployment???

There are jobs in rural central america that struggle to find workers.  With long lines waiting for the same jobs in California and other states.(thinking about teachers as an example).  

Even the OWS news reports look like a camping trip at times.  Some of them are traveling more miles to protest than it would take to get to a job that is available.

Are we reaching a point of comfort with the problem , in a mental state of "if the government is going to take care of us in a style we are entitled too, and they better get with it"??

 

Anybody else seeing it this way??

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Re: Comfortable with 9% unemployment???

Something to what you say.

 

But there are two major structural realities for the current situation- first is housing and the dificulty in selling a home to move to a job- sure maybe just as well off to just default and walk away (but that has broader implications if practiced on a large scale) or accept that it isn't coming back. Second, the rise in reliance on two job families- either split up the fmaily of else little gained by moving to employment. And even if you split up the family, the costs of travel, maintaining two domiciles etc. is a situation that you'd prefer not to accept in the long term.

 

I'm sure there are literally millions of cases where someone can anecdotally say the actors are wrong and this is what is wrong with the world.  But the aggregate numbers are completely clear- there are a lot more people looking for work than there are jobs.

 

Job creation was poor relative to former recoveries in 2002-2007 despite a financial recovery- only a reliance on overbuilding  of commercial and residential properties- which now hang over the financial system like a dagger, creaed any growth at all.

 

Not a pretty situation.

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jrsiajdranch
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Re: Comfortable with 9% unemployment???

One of the things many folks have said about the dairy industry is that we would in normal economic times have had more attrition due to folks going out to find other work. However the new economy doesn't seem to give those options.

Here is a blog entry from John Bunting.

 

Jobs in America

This year 2012 some dairy farmers will feel the need to get out.  Farmers have always been able to leave the farm and find work.  America, however, has changed. The rug is being pulled out from under many people.

There are people with advanced degrees out of work and the unemployment rate for those with only a high school education is dismal.  Some think the so-called unskilled worker over 50 who is laid off will never work again.

There was a time in America when all one needed was a willingness to work to succeed.  this applied to both entry level farming, which has become a thing of the past, and factory work.

Most factories are gone.  Those which are left will not provide the certainty of employment that once was taken for granted.

Much of the problem can be assigned to Wal$Mart shoppers.  But, as Thoreau once said, “The mass of men lead lives of quite desperation.”  He could have been defining Wal$Mart shoppers.

The real problem is a failure of leadership.  It is written, “Where there is no vision, the people shall perish.”

No one wants to keep digging a deeper hole, but, before anyone throws in the towel, make certain there is a job out there.  Keep close to family and friends.

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You echo sentiments I have heard so many times lately. Folks our age want to get off the not-so-merry go round before we are thrown off by the frantic spinning of the milk price. But what do you do afterwards when you are sixty or more?
“Want fries with that?” doesn’t pay very well.


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Kay/NC
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Re: Comfortable with 9% unemployment???

Being female and over fifty, i think i look at this from a different perspective.  My senior year of college (1975) was a sort of doldrums for newly-minted teachers to get jobs.  I was an Education major, and got one of two  positions that opened in my county of origin. 

 

People recall this as the Nixon price control era, and forget that it was a wage control one, too....  We have had that discussion before. 

 

I was caught up in the idea of women's liberation, which budded adn blossoned in the years of my high school and college careers; but, I was somehwat confused as to what was supposedly holding most women back.  Having grown up as the oldest of three daughters of a farmer with a very diversified tobacco/peanut/hogs/grain family farmgin operation, I had worked just like my male cousins. 

 

There was no glass ceiling in the tobacco barn or hog house.  One reason I ahev alwasy been happiest farming. 

 

The society we inhabit took a hard turn in the seventies, in many ways.  One of those was that women thougth they would be happier working away from home than in it.  As a gender, there was a wholesale shift to the notion that one could  "have it all." 

 

 

This led to troops of women vacating the household, bringing in a second salary, which was in large part the genesis of the consumer boom that has echoed in waves ever since.  Much of what a family buys now either didn't exist in 1969, ofr existed in a very different form or format. 

 

Having given birth to three children in less than five years, I finally figured out that I could have it all, just not all at once.  Mike and I agreed that one of us needed to be at home with them, and Nature, plus his better employment opportunities as a male (women earned on average 57 cnets on every dollar a man earned), favored me. 

 

We figured out ways to live and save on his wages alone, and farmed a little on the side.  In 1995, he severed form his railroad position, and became a fulltiem farmer, too.   I have been, to the eyes of the world at least, "unemployed" for most of my adult life, even though I worked virtually everyday in our livestock and crop operation.  

 

I worked at home and reared our children, much as my grandmother and generations of women before us had done.  My mother got sucked into the workforce when I was in my mid-teens, adn from there one, I really missed her. 

 

In choosing a one-job lifestyle, Mike and I were anomalies in our generation.  I think a lot of what's happening now is a correction to more "normal" employment standards, across the overall economic realities of the human race and this society.  

 

We are returning to a more one-job family model.  Unemployment will be redefined in a way by this movement, as people cease seejing outside jobs. the percentage of "unemployed" will decrease.  Right now, a lot of the fall in numbers is not so much new jobs and moving them to public assistance, according to the people I know in social service agencies.   

 

There is a whole different discussion to be had, on the paradigm shifts that cause certain jobs to simply cease to exist,. or to exist only as vestiges - farriers and  typewriter manufacturers come immediately to mind.  Of course, the usual pattern is for new jobs to step into the void, making new technological devices and engineering them...but, this go-round, a lot of that opportunity is going to workers on other continents. 

 

Very complex subject.  Building new houses pulled a lot of products through the pipeline.  Until that dynamic is restored or replaced, we are in the pits, economically speaking. 

 

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Nebrfarmr
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Re: Comfortable with 9% unemployment???

I know it is hard to leave when you have a house, and family, but I was watching the occupiers on the news (ABC News, not FOX) and there seemed to be quite a few younger people, with no wedding rings in the fray. Am I really to believe that all of them are underwater in a mortgage, somewhere? I thought New York was full of apaments? In particular, they interviewed several recent college graduates who said they had no job prospects. Why couldn't they move to somewhere where the unemployment was low? History has plenty of examples of large scale migrations to where the jobs are. In one news blurb, I hear that places that crack down on illegals will not have enough workers to get the job done, and in the next, there are young adults claiming there are no jobs to be had. How can it be both ways unless there is more to it. Maybe, just maybe, giving out of work kids public assistance to the point they feel no NEED to work, and requiring their parents employers cover their health insurance as a 'child' well into adulthood is creating a generation where a good portion of them think they somehow deserve something for nothing. I thought my generation was bad, but some of the kids now, have no ambition to cut the apron strings at all. My generation was in kind of a transition, where you still were supposed to go out on your own, get employment, and raise a family. The culture now is turning into one that lives in mommys basement, living off your parents until you are forty, and 'hooking up' instead of marrying, and starting a family. My cousin, just a little younger than me, just got married, more because it was getting harder to just 'hok up' at his age, than any other reason. He has no intention of ever having kids, because they would cut into his 'fun'. Combine that with another subculture who has no problem having ten kids, and no job, and you can see the road we are headed down.
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Nebrfarmr
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Re: Comfortable with 9% unemployment???

And as my brother in law commented, most people could live OK on a single income, if they didn't need a house with three empty rooms, a new car every other year, and a $200 cell phone for every family member. I work the farm, plus other odd jobs, and my wife is starting a part time home based business. Our kids don't have a clue what the inside of a daycare looks like, and they only stay overnight at grandmas once a month or less. Of course, I type this either on the iPad my wife earned through her work, or a six year old PC, and still drive a 1986 pickup, and live in a small farmhouse we remodeled ourselves. Instead of a semi, I am looking int an old farm truck that needs some elbow grease, but is basically solid, and will cost me around $3K, with new tires. My cell phone doesn't even send texts, but I'm happy that I get to eat breakfast with my family, see my wife and little one at noon, and now that harvest is over and the calves weaned, I see my kindergardener as soon as she gets off the bus, and again from supper through bedtime. The sad thing is I have friends who think I am bad off because they have a new diesel pickup, and I don't.
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Kay/NC
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Re: Comfortable with 9% unemployment???

BINGO!  I can still picture our three, noses pressed against the storm door glass, so excited for their Daddy to be coming in from a morning in the field.  They got breakfast and lunctime with him, since he worked second shift for eons, and missed supper. 

 

If I had been away teachign school, our family time would have been basically zero.  Out of the guys Mike worked with, virtually all were divorced, some several times.  The only other couple that stayed married was with an at-home wife, too.  Said something to me. 

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Kay/NC
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Re: Comfortable with 9% unemployment???

What you are describing is just a newer form of "entitlement mentality" to me.  There is little to no incentive to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, given present conditions. 

 

That health insurance until 26 provision was meant to buy time, that's all.  Another example of kickign the can down the road.  I don't know how long the working people of the country can afford the double burden of the extension of their children's youth, coupled with the weight of funding their parents' retirement. 

 

People in their fifties and early sixties see not much prospect for retiring, and people in their twenties not much for working.  What's wrong with this picture? 

 

 

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sw363535
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Thank u, thank u, What great responses

Nox----U are so right on lack of job creation.  So many of my son's age(90's HS grads) left college to tech jobs with high pay and low futures.  The tech industry of Gates, Jobs, and Silicon valley abandoned the american economy with light speed for cheaper labor-----without blame and with possibly good reason, unfortunately, they are a truely global group, I understand, but they hurt a lot of promising young, sharp folks.

 

Kay---The two job perspective is a dynamic much more in force than my mind was accepting--great perspective.  We are of the same age.  I watched the foundation of the womens movement from a humored  perspective of "People are too smart to fall for this"(knowing there were issues for women, but growing up in an ag area where women were very successful and not limited. Any humor I had has gone as so many have struggled, and been dissillusioned with the social expectations.  

 

nbr--- The most discouraging of all--------------seeing 30somethings without a fire in their gut and a dream in their eye,  Just existing to be entertained by a hand held device.

And also as u point out, lifestyle is a choice.  One we must keep evaluating, and encouraging ourselves to see the real values in life.  The things that make us smile and want to be with our families and neighbors are hard to define, different for each, and fatal if lost.

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Kay/NC
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Re: Thank u, thank u, What great responses

I'm just sayin'...women fell for that one, hook; line and sinker.  How "liberating" is it to have  to walk out and hand a six-week-old infant to a stranger, so you can pull a paycheck, most of which goes to a second car and dressing for success? 

 

I actually think there is a happy middle ground, where women can rear small offspring, and work parttime, to keep their hand in and skills sharp.  The Mommy Track has been made into a dead-end siding. 

 

This is a current issue in our family and with our farm.  Our 31-year-old daughter has her first child, born mid-November.  His birth coincided with a planned downtime in our hog operation, shifting from one farrowing source to another. 

 

She is coming back to work now a couple hours at a time, once her OB released her last week,. with precautions on lifting and such as tolerated.  He can go three hours between feedings now, but we have some banked milk on hand, just in case.   She and SIl have figured out the tike's schedule, and we have made it klnown we are here for support. 

 

We are, as she says, a team.  Her husband has off-farm plant work, swing shifts, so does a lot here on the farm during his offtime.  We helped them into the hay business, as a spinoff of our waste management plan.  He is a certified diesel mechanic, Ford tech, etc., so he and Mike can fix almost anything.   

 

SIL is keeping the grandson this morning and tomorrow, while she works, and then I get him Thursday and Friday.   They have figured I will be needed two mornings a month, but may do more childcare in haying season ( I am thinking "Hurry up, April!")

 

I would have given my eye teeth for a few hours a week of family backup, when the kids were small, but my mom was a Career Woman then.    Not to do anything huge, just a recharging spell of alone time.  I joke that I haven't been to the bathroom by myself since 1976...the dog follows me there now.  Too much of a good thing. 

 

So, there is a happy medium.  If I have one goal in life from here on out, it is to achieve that yin/yang balance for our family. 

 

The funny thing is, looking back, if Mike and I had stayed with our chosen career paths, we might have built one-tenth the financial wealth we have managed to accumulate on this alternative path.  It may have been dumb luck, but it worked out. 

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