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Veteran Advisor

Re: Farm Debt Increasing

Whom  enforces  where  these  China  produced  planes  go  -  with  the  point  being  Boeing  wa$  never  part  of  the  tariff conversation$  -  while  AG  products  were ,  took  the  horse  whipping  brunt  of  the  storm  -  -  -

 

AG   was  the  EASY  PLOY    or   Collateral  Damage,   with  M  F  P  crums  sprinkled  in  the  snow ,  while  the  Asian   container  shipments  roll  into  Long Beach ,  and  the  U S A  consumer  whispers  at  waLLY  worLD  , seems  this  stuff  cost  0.10  more -  oh  well - - -

 

Your  and  my  AG  net  gain being,  - O  ,  WOW  -  I  feel  better  already -  m a y b e - ?

 

ARE  there  empty  selves  at  the  $200.oo   T  V   display -  ? 

 

  

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Re: Farm Debt Increasing

Smoke  -  read  them,  great  efforts,  and  your  3% /  year  is  an  excellent  inflation  example,  then  take  it  say  X  20  years  -  -  -

 

The  economics  of  urban  real  estate  ventures,  whether  good  or  bad,   the   flops   go  quickly  un - mentioned ,  although  an  AG  enterprise  has  decades  of  historical, rural values,  coat - tailed  to  them   - - -

 

Adjusting  to  the  mindset  of  how  we  work  out  here,  contains  much  a  greater  emotion,  than  hanging  shiny  letters  on  a  concrete  slab, while  hoping  someone  walks  through  the  door  spending  next  weeks  pay  check  at  the  roulette  wheel  -  -  -

 

Also, being  on  that  subject ,  we  witnessed  how  the  East  Coast  Casino  business ventures  can  go,   really   not   to   impressive  -  or  did  I  miss  the something  in  the Cliff  Notes - ?

 

That  being  said,  we  are  finding  out  how  the  words  EASY  WINS,  gets to  be  a  bit  more  complicated , as  you  mentioned  in  the  foolish  T T P  walk  away   -  -  -   

Honored Advisor

Boeing 737 news

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Re: Boeing 737 news

B A -  no  mention  of  those  2  - 737-r8's   production -  build  site -  interestingly  enough  ?  

 

Also. on  another  note,  did  anyone  get  an  answer   or  political  response,   to  the  fact  we  IMPORT,  $157 M   in  soybean  meal  -  ? 

 

Intersting , Was  the  organic   products  reported  by   Mercaris  Maritime  Import  report ( mercaris.com )  to  the  U S A  -  read it  sometime   -   you  decide -  maybe - ?  

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Re: Boeing 737 news

I haven't read it yet but i will, thats a fair amount of meal....

 

I also read the TPP.   and the original nafta documents in 94.   As well as the endangered species act in 74 and its shady ammendment in 78 which gave administrative power to declare latge areas of critical habitat.  Then more political teeth in the 90's.

 

TPP Was an attempt at establishing environmental law on a world stage by using trade as a carrot.  An attempt to circumvent congressional power by a US administration.  And was guaranteed to be broken from the start....using US $$ in trade deficits as the payoff,  favoring the Chinese once again as the under privileged child at the table.  Promoting an environmental political line that had not been successful in legislation in the US.  

 

This realignment with China was coming.... We and the rest of the world could not continue the promises made to China to allow them to manipulate their currency and infringe patent law forever.  No matter how easy it is to make the farmers back home feel good.  The truth is Farm groups and farmers have known for years that the US economy was  being stripped and moved to foreign production sources primarily because of tax law and regulation.  The part labor plays in production has been reducing for decades.

Farmers will ignore economic realities as long as trade helps Farmers.  

 

And Farm lobbyists will declare every ship leaving (at any price) good for Farmers and take credit, without taking one step in the process... only filling an office in Washington.. and KS if the bread crumbs are big enough.  Those same PACS care only for their piece of the pie.

 

 

BA I am more comfortable with Boeing building planes in China than I am with the US educational system building political candidates here in the US.

 

and sometimes the least productive and least qualified workers are the ones that are paid the most.  I am guessing the GM trucks that will be built in China or Mexico will be hard to tell from the US built ones.   It is all a robotic symphony now.  which means.......

The difference is completely political....  And our Education system is teaching political instead of technically to compete internationally.

 

International trade is almost impossible to track and a lot of the "data" presentations are pretty fuzzy when you break out the details. Some guessing going on often...

Like if GM buys seats for a pickup that are made in Mexico with US cotton and US petroleum (either in the nylon or psudoleather product(california goat skin)) processed on one side of the border or the other, and steel processed off shore by a third party with US iron ore. If that wash out as 4 sales south and 4 sales north...it is not a remarkable set of transactions.  Yet both countries will count everything that might have happened to pump politics.  Farmers will feel good about a big cotton sale and ignore unemployment numbers here.... Which Congress will hide after 6 months.... 

 

Stoping there     it is an international economy now.  Technology is leveling the differences.  Poor populations are easier to train.  

But mostly.....  on a business sense we are loosing our country identities and world wide competition is being defeated.  

What good is country of origin labeling if there is only one choice on the shelf or the 4 choices have each been raised and processed by 2 different international owners?  

What is any major producers home country?      Apple?   Amazon?  GM?  JCB?  etc etc   And if we think we know now, will we know 10 years from now?

National concerns by politicians and consumers are being whittled down to elections.  The rest is "do I get what I want"?

 

International trade data is very hard to verify..... lot of data is just accepting international statements, can we verify the Russian harvest or China's grain reserves or do the Chinese reserves include future production?

 

Organic internationally looks like it is just going to be an unverifyable labeling issue.... While our press and politician bureaucrats assume US regulations are upheld.  At least so far crossing one border is good enough.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Boeing 737 news

I  guessing  the  agreements  were in  place  to  neutralize one  thing -  A  Trade  War might  not  be  as ''' reportedly   brutal ''' as  a  military  one,   and  the  figures  can  be  ''  adjusted  ''  at  the  strike  of  the  keyboard  -   -   -    

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Re: Boeing 737 news

SW, you mean you trust the Chinese to build your airplane more than a New York congresswoman that less than a year ago was slinging drinks to pass laws and appropriate  spending?  Smiley Very Happy  

 

Okay about the TPP, back in 2013 when the greatest man to ever have lived was in the white house, some enlightened progressives were against the TPP...it wasn`t rightwing nutjobs like me (I wear the title proudly) that was against it, it tore at our nation`s sovereignty ....not that those from Liberal, Kansas care...nuther nickel fer da wheat ya know!

 

But, anyway, this from the bastion of conservatism, the Huffington Post when progressives and I had a few things in common   Smiley Happy

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-burnett/trans-pacific-partnership_b_4479420.html   

 

Interestingly, most Republicans are willing to give “fast-track” trade authority to President Obama even though they don’t trust him on other issues. That’s because powerful transnational corporations want the Trans-Pacific Partnership to be approved. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce stated, “Completing the TPP would pay huge dividends for the United States. The agreement would significantly improve U.S. companies’ access to the Asia-Pacific region, which is projected to import nearly $10 trillion worth of goods in 2020.”

 
 
 

. Free-trade agreements, such as TPP, haven’t protected U.S. jobs.

Public Citizen reported that since 1994, “the [freed-trade agreement] deficit surge implies the loss of nearly one million American jobs.” Public Citizen said wherever there were free-trade agreements US trade deficits increased and in the countries not covered by free-trade agreements our deficits decreased.

 

Recently, Campaign for America’s Future revisited the US trade agreement with Mexico — NAFTA:

In 1993, the broadest assurance by those selling this model - including almost all Republicans and President Clinton - was that it would create U.S. jobs by expanding the trade surplus the U.S. then enjoyed with Mexico... Now the U.S. suffers chronic $60 billion-$70 billion annual trade deficits with Mexico and by this summer the accumulated U.S. current account losses with Mexico under NAFTA will pass $1 trillion.

 

 

Keep in mind, this article in the Huff Po was in 2013

 

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Veteran Advisor

Re: Boeing 737 news

I'm    thinking  a  trip  to  the  casino  may  return  something,  as  long  as  the  place  doesn't  file,  before  I  get  to  the  pay  window  - ? 

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Re: Boeing 737 news

BA  Lets you and me stumble on home........for god sake,   your  quoting the huffington post and a progressive actionistic commmitmentee like they know something..... .... or would even quote somebody who knew something..... the way nafta was promoted we should have all had a condo in aspen by now.

 

..... I got a feeling smokey pulled a fast one on us....

 

 

Smiley Happy 

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