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Veteran Advisor

Re: Corn is just not food

YOu beat me to it K I was going to add that Steve King and Charles Grassley should be added to the list of "free Marketers" on the ethol fre market. And I am not saying that we haven't all gotten our hands covered in tax payer dollars. My point is that somewhere some one should ahve to see the mess they make and clean it up. So lets get this thing to gothru to the very end. Not try to correct in mid stream. And in fact I don't think they can pull this one outa the nose dive we are currently on. This will end very badly!

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Re: Corn is just not food

Grain storage can be argued to be a stabilizing influence on farm commodity prices...lets people sell when markets are more favorable, instead of taking whatever they can get at harvest.  Also, a certain amount of storage is crucial to carrygin over sufficient supplies to ward aginst widespread drought lor other crop failure, and to simply make a commodity supply last throughout the year. 

Manure management cost-shares served a public function of conserving/protecting water resources...if I have to raise meat for thousands of Americans not to have to raise their own, I see the USDA chipping in a share of manure handling structures to be a reasonable expense...not that anyone helped pay for the ones we use here.    

We did compete and get funded for an EQIP project on Mike's place in VA.  Since that is one way the public pays for protecting watersheds, ranked in terms of cost:benefit, I felt justified in taking that cost-share, too.  Have taken some for establishing long-term vegetative cover for soils conservation. 

While we do receive a small amount of USDA payments NOT in conservation programs in a given year, they do not offset the added costs of unfunded federal mandates in our local property tax bills.  Why should my farm have to pay a large amount of money for someone else's Medicaid-funded care than farmers in states where there is no local contribution required?  If USDA pays a part of that tab, that is fine with me. 

So, EWG may tell you how much everyone takes in on payments, but it does not tell you how it's spent.  There should be an accompanying figure that explains how much of the funds received goes to taxes on the land involved in that relevant ag production. 

We are in a net deficit position between what we have to pay for deadbeats riding the federally-mandated system of free food, housing and medical care, and the little bit USDA deposits in our accounts annually.  I will gladly stop accepting program payments when I am no longer required to support people who do not move enough in a day to knock the dead lice off their lazy tails. 

Fair enough?

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Re: I say let ethol ride!

I agree, take away the mandates and tax breaks for ethanol, but also take them away from all competing energy sources, including wind, solar, nuclear, anything that gets a government edge. And especially oil the one ton gorilla in the room.  And while we're at it, let the Mideast oil producers pick up the costs of policing the oil fields and shipping lanes.  The US has been paying for being the world policeman, enough already, let that cost be borne by those who receive the service. 

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Re: Corn is just not food Kay for pres

Kay is so right this industry is a money pit. It wouldn't exist without government help. Take away the tax credit and all you have is a less efficient fuel. Common sense tells me 87 octane gets me 30 mpg ethanol gets me 24, if you are the consumer and it's the same price what are you gonna buy. That is what free markets are about, not tax credits to promote a failed product. Guys giving the government money and power is like giving a teenage boy beer and car keys.

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Re: I say let ethol ride!

If we are going to just forget free enterprise all together, let's mandate that oil companies must, by LAW, re-invest all profits above a certain level into sustainable alternatives like solar and wind.  That way, at least we are making a move towards energy independence...I would not so much mind paying more for gasoline, if I felt it was at least in part being used to get us out of the world war over oil....

The US spends more on defense than all other governments of the world combined.  Take just ten percent of that, and hire that manpower, to build sustainable energy installations.  Fifty billion of the half-trillion we throw at holding onto oil somewhere, anywhere, every year...would turn on a lot of turbines! 

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Re: Corn is just not food Kay for pres

Are you going to consider all the govwernment spends on petroleum supplies and protecting our presence in the il producing states and keeping the supply line free?

 

I suspect that these lifestock producers think they are owed cheap feed. When we were scrounging around with sub 2$ corn prices I never heard on cattleman suggest  that corn farmers find new uses for our production.  We have worked to build demand for our products and yes government has been involved in ethonel market. But they don't pay us for the corn. They pay oil comapnies a blenders credit so that they will pump our ethanol through their pumps.

 

Don't get me wrong because I do beleive you deserve higher margins. But you ought to get it out of the retail market for beef pork and milk. You aren't owed chealp feed nor are we obligated to raise cheap feed. WE can put our land into any crop that will show us a profit. Your just **bleep** lucky the corn belt states are geared up to mass produce tthe feed grains and soy products and we do it year after year decade after decade.

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Senior Advisor

Re: Funny you should mention this.

Have you heard of David G Jungerman? He is the guy in Missouri that painted a semi van expressing how those lousy democrats were blo0d sucking socialists.  Not David Jungerman He got $1,095,000 in crop subsidies from the FSA/USDA from 1995 until 2009.

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Senior Advisor

Re: That is a typical knot headed

description of folks in need of assistance. While you hold those people in disdain I suggest you walk a mile in their shoes. Are you suggesting that farmers do not pay property taxes.

 

Personally, I would prefer that all of my tax money went to improving peoples lives in this country.

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Senior Advisor

Re: Corn is just not food

Actually 30 years since Reagan came to Office with the philosophy that government is the problem and started the crusade to starve government out of existance. These are people that don't beleive in government and are out to prove it.

 

Tax cuts and premature tax deductions are nothing more than justifying lower taxes as an incentive. The trouble is all those incentives reduce the revenue stream and the tax code is riddled with incentives. Our budgetary problems demands that people that make money must pay taxes. The poor folks can't pay it and those profitable will not pay taxes as long there a way out. Whether it be Ira's or premature deductions instead o long term deprecioation, they are all reducing the revenue stream that the government requires.

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Re: Corn is just not food Kraft t you amuse me

If corn would go back below 2 dollars there is nothing saying you couldn't quit farming and do something else. You aren't owed a good price for your product by anyone but the market. Right now the market is being inflated by ethanol. Another point, notice how the big keep getting bigger I believe in a large way it is do to all these subsidies in ever sector of ag. Why does the gov. want huge farming enterprises, because it is a lot easier to control one 10,000 acre farmer, whereas I believe rural areas would be better of with 10, 1000 acre farmers. Once again you are owed nothing, do something else if the price is low. I hear there are a lot of job oppurtunities in the tractor selling business.  If you are a huge operator no offense intended just my opinion. I think you also should reconsider your argument about the government spending money to supply oil from foreign areas. Under that pretense we are no better than mideast because there bribing us with that same money in a way to keep ethanol viable.

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