Not exactly FARM business, but....

[Kay/NC]

Oh, GOD! I spend at least half of my waking hours with a two-year-old, so I guess my days are numbered....

Thanks for a post that sums up what I meant. I think it is the Halliburtons, the Blackwaters, et al, who benefitted by the adtermath of 9/11.

We just saw another grant to our VA county, to establish a fully-trained and armed tactical force. My first thought was " Do WHAT?!?"

The ramblings in our Congress about martial law, coupled witherrant posts I see about how armed our civilian security agencies are, are worrisome to me, too.

Several years ago, I read about black rooms that telephone company technicians has observed being used to route our communications through...which sounded sketchy at the time. Then, we have a revelation like the NSA has been snooping in at will. Were those prior worries founded, or flaky?

Something is up...and it makes me feel uneasy.

[sw363535]

we have amazing uncontrolable new technologies we have not learned to fully understand the potential of.  The stress on leadership and security has to be great.

This part of it is not bothering me near as much the pre 911 years of watching  passenger planes or an embassy get bombed over and over, and watching radical groups recruit and trane terror units , and wondering if any one was going to do anything to slow it down.  

Those dollar cost figures quoted as a result of choices made after 911   ???????  What created them.  Weren't they already written on the wall.

A small portion of it might be tied to foolish decisions like creating new unnecessary departments of government.  etc.

 Big costs were inevitable and most of the size of those costs was ballooned by our years of doing nothing and ignoring an enemy that promised to come after us and did over and over.

The cost always goes up when you are unwilling to pay it.

Look back at the timeline and buildup of terrorist events around the world beginning in the 1970's and tell me how we were going to avoid paying a big price at some point ! ?  ?

I just hope we win the cultural war we keep denying the existance of.

[Kay/NC]

I see it as sort of like the expense and aggravation we are dealing with at our second home. Strangers who made a late-night foray into the yard, a mile down a private lane, while I was here alone last year, planted a heightened sense of vulnerability in us.

The only thing we could think to do, given that the other house is ninety minutes away, was install alarms for entrances and motion detection. Threw in smoke and freeze parameters, too. That cost us a monthly monitoring fee, plus installation and bill for a phone line, since the cell signal is too weak for wireless systems here.

Last night, not long after we had returned to NC, the alarm company called, to say the motion detector in the middle of the house had gone off. We made a mad dash back, even after the sheriff had checked and cleared the property.

False alarm...this time...but, you never know until after the fact, right?

[minnisota]

Me thinks if you go down deep enough into a rabbit hole you will see whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

Whoever thinks there is a spit of difference between republicans and democrats is just kidding themselves.

As far as 9-11 goes it was 19 dudes who believed in their version of god and they where from saudi arabia if I remember correctly so we attacked Afganastan and Iraq that should have put up some red flags but it didn't.

Those buildings they knocked down on that day had IMHO alot of financial stuff lost and it started our demise into what you see today. It's all about the money nothing more.

[Kay/NC]

Interesting to see the several different conclusions on the events of that day. One we may all agree on is that is is all about money.

[hardnox604008]

Hi Minnisota,

Unfortunately there is probably somehting to what you say. On 9/10/2001 Sec. Rumsfeld held a press conference to announce that $2.3 trillion could not be accounted for from DoD books.

The following day the Army finance investigative group at the Pentagon  that had been tasked with tracking the money was largely eliminated and their records destroyed. They were among the few who had been recently moved into that wing that was under renovation. In all fairness, it was later, quietly announced that all that money had been found. Good to know.

It is like, c'mon guys. If you don't want me to be a kook then you have to come up with a better story.

That story stands as presented. There is also a story that a $10 billion dollar Brady Bond issue of questionable provenance was set to clear at Cantor Fitzgerald on that day. It is one of those convoluted tales that I really can't conclude is or is not true,

Also true that records for prosecution of some of the major financial crime cases of the day, Enron, Worldcom et al, were destroyed.

[k-289]

Kaye  - This has brought out some interesting views on this subject with each holding some what of a political lean  --- I find it interesting how some view  ' ' collateral " damage as slight or extensive as to the occupant on Pennsylvania Ave . --- protecting some rubber plantations in the  60's  in  S. E. Asia using the excuse of the red socialistic threat when there was a communistic regime 90 miles away  ---     

[bruce MN]

These folks over here at the FBpage (no pun intended, but one does wonder at times) have a long history of doing a great job of discussing any number of issues. 

Tell ya' what.  I'll stay out of this sandbox and simply enjoy following their converstaions if you pormise to.

[Kay/NC]

Those are new revelations to me. Those points do not reassure my mind in any way.

What does this line of thought do to your confidence that our country does, or ever did, the right thing?

[k-289]

A French tire and rubber is the $$$$ clue during the Vietnam era and the amount of resources spent to protect that interest and we still walked away -  one finite thing history does repeat ---