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Veteran Advisor

Re: "socialist farmers"

Don't  forget  the  ''  cause  and  effect ''   of   socialism,  let's  say  the  Georgetown  law  graduate  being  in  the  headlines  of  late ,  or  say  Enron - Northern  Nat. Gas , headlines ,  being  by-products,   of  let  them  eat  cake,  in  playing  a   winning  hand  game  -   -   -

  

That  being  the  actions,  throwing  gas  of  on  the  fire  of  socialism,  being  an  excuse,  or  culprit ,  in  the  playing  card  deck  of  those  examples -  ?

 

Direct  actions  of  mis - behavior  in the  game  of  ''' king  of  the  mountain ''  or  '''  LOOK  at  ME '''  you  peasants  of  collateral  damage ,  then  ask  yourself  where  socialism  crept  in -  ? 

 

Would  OFF  Shore   banking   being  a   crafty  work  of  capitalism,  or  an  indirect  path  toward  socialism   -  ?        

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Honored Advisor

Re: Sorry

Government picking losers and winners creates problems every time.
But it got a lot worse when we started legislating life style and guaranteed benefits.
Most of the things we hear “entitlement to” should not be. Including a guaranteed wage— it just kills performance incentive.

When I hear socialism I think labor unions as best example. Capitalism is competition. Our goals for decades have been to punish winners (or make them pay for their success.
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Re: Sorry

just to paraphrase one of the smart guys at New Ag Talk

 

"Socialism works, if you don't"

 

Granted, it doesn't work for very long but that is another story.

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Veteran Advisor

Re: Sorry

I  have  a  hard  time  classifying  the  likes  of  antics  of  any  so  called  capitalist ,  insider , a  competition  of  any  kind,  if  laundered  money$ ,  being  the  avenue  of  success  -   -   -

 

Is   Labor  Union  success ,  and  ,  ultimate '' demise '' ,  is  also  a  co- product  of  upper  level  management  sellout's  on  either  side  - maybe ? 

 

Maybe  a  complete  overturn  of  public  transportation,  to  a  pay  as  you  go  terms,  could  be  beneficial,  until  the  deals  are  cut  after  the  fact  for  major  players '' discount's ''  or  a  exemption  of  use  policy  deal   -  ? 

 

There would  be  a  major  discount  on  a  dam  site  on  Holt  &  Boyd   county  Nebraska ,  Niobrara  River  that  starts  in  Wyoming,  or  the  Republican River  water  rights  of  Colorado, Kansas,  &  Nebraska , a  classic  of  would  a  private ,  capitalistic,  deal  as  a  remedy  - ?

 

Bad  players,  may  not  be  a  commodity  of  short  supply,  with  a  magnifying  glass  to  view  the  so  called ,  GRAY Fringe  AREA's  of  success -  maybe ? 

 

More  equip  $$$$  might  help - maybe - ?   

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Veteran Advisor

Re: Sorry

Maybe  we  could  reimburse  those  S. Security  payments  and  Medicare  premiums ,  say  on  a  10  year  payback,  and  drop  those  programs  all  together -  maybe  -  no  adjustments  for  inflation  other  than  say  like  a  pass  book  savings rate  -  -  -

 

No  F D I C  -  bail  out  insurance - either -  -   -

 

Freedom  to  Farm ,  re-invented,  Freedom   to  Trade,  also  -  -  -    

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Re: "socialist farmers"

I still say socialism is being used as a trigger word to try to put people in a negative light.  There are aspects of socialism in varying  forms of government.  Some argue socialism has never worked.  But the UK is lot older than the and has more socialism aspects than the US for many years.  While some think capitalism is perfect it does not work when all wealth is sent to the top. I still believe the person working deserves more credit than someone that inherited the money.  In any firm of government greed will will take all if not limited in some fashion.  The labeling of people generally reduces constructive discussion.

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Re: "socialist farmers"

Ralph, that goes both ways, some that are "Left leaning" to make their case will say "you drive on public roads?  You call the fire department if there`s a fire? If your home was broken in, you`d call the police?  You sign up for the farm program and have subsidized crop insurance?....Weeeell congratulations, you`re a socialist!   Sooo, you better shut up about free healthcare, free college, basic income, ect, ect ect".

 

See, once the ball is rolling and there`s half the country willing to exploit it, where do we stop?   Reasonable people agree and have agreed about the need for a not for profit fire department, police department, roads and bridges.  All those things make our lives better, we pay into them and government can do it better.  Like schools in a low populated area, a private industry wouldn`t touch it or a farm where powerlines have to go 2 miles for just one farm.  A private power company would say "sorry, sucks to be you. we`re not spending $100,000 to bring electricity to just your farm!".

 

The problem is "mission creep" and you see a certain political party with about 20 clowns running and licking their chops for 2020, all trying to out promise the other in their quest to buy votes.

 

 

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Veteran Advisor

Re: "socialist farmers"

How  many  coal  mines  did  Margaret  close   -  ?   And  Harold  Wilson  before  that  -  due  to  it  being  a  shuttered  industry  -  ? 

 

As  far  as  roads  go,  or  weights  and  measurements, or  F  A  A  ,  close  'em  down  -  and  in  a  short  time  , install   the  toll  meters  & see  the  results  -   -   - 

 

Government  shut   down  worked  perfectly,  why  did  it  end  ?   

 

ALSO,  Social  Security  &  Medicare  also  -   why  not  - ?  - TELL  ME   

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Honored Advisor

Re: "socialist farmers"

In addition to being prime minister are you telling me Margret Thatcher owned mines too and closed them???  Busy lady. 

 

Look I`m for the government taking care of roads and USDA inspecting and LABELING meat and FAA directing air traffic...those are some of the things that government can do better than private industry.  I just don`t want anymore mission creep in increased benefits that the 20 clowns vying for the 2020 job application are promising.   I know we`re not supposed to ask, but how will we pay for all these clown`s promises?  TELL ME.

 

Social security...I pay in a lot and I`m counting the days  until I collect and I`m gonna live a long time   Smiley Happy

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Veteran Advisor

Re: "socialist farmers"

Some  wanted  to  close  mines,  others  want  them  open -   and   you  have  your  list  to  keep  open,  others  have  their  list  to  keep  open,   that's  how  it  works  -   -   -

 

Medicare  annual  funding  expenditures   ''  estimates  ''  for  2017  -  $704.6  Billion  +  or  -  a  few  Billion  here  or  there  -   -    -

 

Social Security  annual  fund  expenditures  ''  guesstiments  for   2017 -  $813.  something  Billion  +   or  -   a  few  B's  -   -   -

 

Cash  flow  analysis  being  what  side  down  -  or  inside  out ,  your  call,  and   while,  '' you  said '',  Margaret  owned  coal  mines,  NOT  I   -Smiley Wink 

 

Long  story  short,  get  ready  for  Medicare  premium  INCREASES  -  BIG  TIME,  while  S. S  benefits  increases  stagnate   -  and  hope  those  millennial  age  group  keep  sending  in  those  W-2  slip  withholding  amounts,  or  the  boomers  will  get  a  bad  reality  check  of  more  insufficient  funds  -  -  -        

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