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ECIN
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Re: Time for a notrogen price fixing class action

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The bog problems with N statred many years ago , I should have did some research on this before posting - but will just shoot from thr hip , Looking back in time - when I was a young guy - I got to tour a N plant near Terra Haute IN

Never will will forget it - they had 5,500 hp electric motors to compress the Natural Gas to turn it to N then they had a prilling tower where they made dry pellet types of N - The point of story is that back in the day - every major company had there own N plants - Then Big Brother steps in with more and more regulations - It got to where they could not afford to build the new plants to meet the new rules - until just the last few years most if not all N was imported from  Trinidad and other foreigin countrys , Of couase they don't play the games that our companies had too , plus they had very cheap Gas to make it from .  I really need to look this part up before I write but what the heck - So here go's - In the last few years - some foreign country buil a brand new N plant in Southern IN on the Ohio - State of the art - If anybody has time - look and see how many -- new plants have been built - my guess is not many - Now some are thinking price fixing - well it woud be a lot easyier today that in the past - there are just a few companys to make it .

 

Nox posted on another tread about they will charge what the maket will stand - Nox - that was a keeper there and 100% right on the money !!!!!!!  

 

 

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hardnox
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Re: Time for a notrogen price fixing class action

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Sorta like the guy tellin' me that the reason you can't buy 22LR ammo is because of regulations. Which apparently is a good enough explanation when you're talking to gun goobers- not exactly the sharpest tools.

 

It is true N manufacture isn't the simplest business to make entry to but there has been 10 years for existing manufacturers to increase output.

 

That is how a free market is supposed to work but in an oligopoly it is much easier for the few to collude in their own interests. That's why you break them up to the point where there is competition.

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k-289
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Re: Time for a notrogen price fixing class action

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C F  Industries  is about to finish a state of the art plant in Sioux City Iowa - 75 mile haul for us ---

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r3020
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Re: Time for a notrogen price fixing class action

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@hardnox wrote:

Sorta like the guy tellin' me that the reason you can't buy 22LR ammo is because of regulations. Which apparently is a good enough explanation when you're talking to gun goobers- not exactly the sharpest tools.

 

It is true N manufacture isn't the simplest business to make entry to but there has been 10 years for existing manufacturers to increase output.

 

That is how a free market is supposed to work but in an oligopoly it is much easier for the few to collude in their own interests. That's why you break them up to the point where there is competition.


N manufactures have increased output. Demand has increased faster.

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hardnox
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Re: Time for a notrogen price fixing class action

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I'm not able to find good stats on the percentage used in power plants for SO4 mitigation but it appears to be less than 5%. Of that, presumably much ends up going onto crops as ammonium sulfate,

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hardnox
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more price fixing in the news

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http://www.businessinsider.com/former-chesapeake-ceo-aubrey-mcclendon-has-died-in-a-car-accident-201...

 

The day after being indicted for bid-rigging on oil and gas leases, former Chesapeake CEO Aubrey McClendon drives into a bridge abutment at high speed.

 

First Justice Saclia ups and dies leaving Dow with a near $1B price fixing tab and now Those People in the Justice Department actually dust off the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Clearly an act of political intimidation, and if something isn't done there will be nowhere safe left in America for Good People.

 

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r3020
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Re: Time for a notrogen price fixing class action

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@hardnox wrote:

I'm not able to find good stats on the percentage used in power plants for SO4 mitigation but it appears to be less than 5%. Of that, presumably much ends up going onto crops as ammonium sulfate,


Not sure of the numbers Nox but I think more NH3 is used in scrubbers than is used in US corn production.

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hardnox
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Re: Time for a notrogen price fixing class action

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I found what I could.

 

I can neither confirm or refute that assertion.

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