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Senior Contributor

Re: So what's the solution

"OK, Let's start the insanity, how about a 100% cut of the direct payments."

 

I would vote for that.  Also cut EQIP and CRP, for all I care.  And remove the blenders credit and tariff.  Just do it to everybody.

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Re: So what's the solution

I can already hear you guys screaming at the computer, how dare he take away our free money. I also think that a lot of these extravagant cash rent prices paid mostly by huge farming corps. That destroy family and beginning farmers could be limited by stopping all the government funding of crop insurance. They shouldn't pay that much of the balance.  And the SURE program, don't get me started. You guys probably go to the coffee shop and deplore socialism until it's your time to get yours. But as Thatcher once said "the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money." 

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Re: So what's the solution

P.J O'Rourke's latest title, "Don't Vote: It Just Encourages the Bastards," has an interestign analysis of the matrix of concern for value of money spent. The two axes of the graph are whose money it is and who it is being spent upon.   

The premise is that the concern level of quality for price is high when you re spendng money of your own on things for yourself, and cocner for value decreases rapidly as it moves towards other people's money and things or services for people you do not know or care about.  UNfortuantely, this represents the type of money Congress is spending and its relationship to those it spends upon..so, we, the taxpayer, are pretty much screwed. 

This may explain why a $160 wheelchair is charged to Medicare at $1300, as our state's newschannel is now discovering, and telling us right at tax time, just to IMPROVE our mood about the activity at hand.  There is no easy way out of this mess...and everyone is going to have to give up something to make it better, whether they feel entitled to it or not. 

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Re: So what's the solution

My question isn't what do you want to cut but rather how are you going to make it happen?

 

I've said it in a previous post of yours and I'll repeat it again. I do think direct payments are rediculous. I'm all for cuts in all ag spending as long as they are equal across the board. If you have a plan to get rid of them let me know. So far your posts have been rants and attacks on others, lets see something constructive and maybe you can get people on board.

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Re: Where I'm coming from on gov programs Good points Jim kraft t

Maybe this is in just my local area but their are plenty of jobs available. The problem i see is that people are "to good" for those jobs. They got let go at a job where they were makeing 50k+ a year and they don't want to give that up, so instead they sit around waiting for that 50K+ job that will never come. That is using the system. No one is to good for work, I dont care what your college degree is. I work part time for a landscapeing company makeing 8.65 an hour, and they are always looking for workers because so many people arent willing to actually "work" for their money. They can make almost just as much on unemployment. SO they would rather sit around and let the government take care of them.

You know technology is great, BUT you dont HAVE to make 50k a year to make a living, you just have to go without things that arent essential. Internet, cable tv, big tvs and fancy computers, ipods, ipads, fancy cell phones, are not not necessary to make a living, people just dont understand this anymore.

I have made it through my first three years of college going full time all three years, and first two years working almost 40 hour weeks for a local farmer and still held a 3.75 GPA, I was a lame duck because i never partied or had "fun". But i also haven't borrowed a cent to pay for school.

It all goes back to people are not willing to "work" and have the mentalilty of being to good for a job.

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Re: So what's the solution 4020

Plan, what plan cut the programs. How much explanation does that need. Set a date and say after this the direct payments are gone. I don't think we are splitting the atom here. It's much more simple than we make it out to be. Also cut the crop insurace welfare by 15% every year.

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Re: So what's the solution 4020

Yes, but how do you make those cuts happen? Call Tom Vilsak and say "Hi, this is cowfarmer and you need to cut all program spending immediately!"? That would be a start I guess. Call/write your congressman and representatives. Call/write the commodity groups. All are possibilities. If you are really committed to this you need a plan of action. Sitting here and trading jabs anonymously isn't accomplishing anything.

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Re: So what's the solution

So would you stop all EQUIP and CRP funding immediately, and break existing contracts?  or  fund existing contracts, but no new ones?   Seems  to me now would be a good time to cut CRP, just not have a new sign up and let existing contracts run their course.  But No...

 

A number of years ago we started down the road of gradually cutting direct payments.  And how long did that last. 

 

IMO to stop programs cold turkey would cause a lot of grief, but if phased out over say 5 years we would all have time to adjust without shocking the system. The problem is we all know how fickle things are in  D.C.

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Re: So what's the solution

Clayton, I would honor the crp contracts but I wouldn't extend them. 4020 I'm gonna be a one man wrecking crew and get it all changed. But seriously I am gonna vote against the Chuck Grassley's of the world and try ro find a canidate that most fits my views. Obvioulsy I'm not a legislator and I'm obviously unelectable so I guess I'm out of luck plus I don't think you or Kraft t would vote for me. I think Clayton hits the nail on the head with phasing this stuff out, over a 5 or even 7 year period. But it's all nonsense because these programs aren't going anywhere, once uncle Sam starts givin he rarely takes away as evidence by a 1.2 trillion deficit this year. Oh but were a small part of the budget. (Does that make it right)

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Re: So what's the solution

Washington won't step uo to the plate only on little things----untouchable are the huge items like "medicare" the cute word for welfare so why all the hand wringing ? 

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