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There is a farm auction coming up in a couple of weeks in my neck of the woods (east central Iowa), any guesses to the winning bid?

Here are the stats:

291 acres

266 acres tillable

55 average CSR

No mention of any tile.

boarders a paved road

3 miles from nearest coop

 

One brother says $150 per csr, = 8250 per acre

I think that is a little high so I will say 6,500 per acre and seller will refuse the bid!

 

Make your prediction!

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Kay/NC
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Was that the/ sound of air whooshing out of a bubble?

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BA Deere
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I predict that on the day of the sale, 2 fools will meet, one making an outlandish offer and the second fool not accepting that offer  🙂 

 

It probably won`t be a record prices that we all heard about last year, but land theoretically shouldn`t go down because land buyers had to know that $7 corn would eventually go to $4 at some point and that prospect should`ve been incorporated in everyone of last year`s record bids. 

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Red Steele
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$200 rents, $5000 land

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BA, I have 200 acres of prime land coming up for sale right in my backyard. Better than anything I currently own or farm, and I am not even going to the auction. I could buy the farm, at what I think it will go for, and probably not miss any meals, but I sense that we are right at the point we were in 1980 when I had to make a choice about buying a farm then, only then I didn't have any money and I would have had to take my father down with me if things went bad. I got an education instead, and ended up buying several farms ten years later for about a third of what anything would have cost in 1980. TIming is everything. The guys that bought land in 1980 got an expensive education, too.

 

I think high grade land, the stuff that would average 180 bpa corn, and 50 bpa soybeans over a five year period, should be priced closer to $5000 rather than $10,000 or more. Of course, this is all based on a stable dollar, and you have some that bought gold, a worthless income producer, at prices close to $2000 per ounce based on their fears of hyper inflation. And that view may very well turn out correct. I just don't make speculative business plans based on that.

 

Rents are going to have to come down, based on my math. This hypothetical 180/50 bushel land should only rent for about $200 per acre , based on current inputs and price projections.

 

Corn Revenue at $4.25 is $765 per acre and a no-frills budget is about $450 per acre, with $100 seed $135 fert, $35 chemical, $25 for crop insurance, and production expenses of $155 per acre. Throw in $50 for some sort of profit, and overhead cushion, and you end up with a corn margin of $265 per acre for land cost.

 

Soybeans fare worse....$10.00 beans at 50 bpa average gives you $500 to work with, and $50 seed , $70 fert allocation, $35 chemical, $120 production expenses, $25 crop ins, and $50  profit and overhead gives you a margin of only $150. So the average of a corn/soybean rotation is just over $200 per acre available.

 

Sure, you have guys that are going to average 225 bushels per year in their dreams and 65 bushel beans, and for them, the sky is the limit. I am just trying to be realistic. I know you have the years that the prime ground doesn't look so prime, but that is the color of the sky in my world.

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BA Deere
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Hey Red, I would so like to tell you "cash is king" but with Janet Yellan, QE-5, $17 trillion nat debt, ect the best I can say is yes I think you will buy more acres with the same `federal reseve notes` a year or 2 from now  🙂

 

 

As more come to the realization that "the party is over" more land will come up for sale and if $7 corn doesn`t come back, we may see a mini "fire in a crowded theater" affect.  I get a weekly "shopper paper" in the mail and there are 5 land auctions coming up in the next couple weeks.  It`s said that 3% of land comes up for sale eath year, now if that just doubled sellers would quickly out strip buyers.

 

I`m not hearing rents coming down yet, but a buddy of mine rents from a land management company had his rent lowered with out even asking. 

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Are the big warchests all spent out?  Some farmers can pay big rent for another year or two.  Those might be interested in locking in a farm at a low fixed rate if they can find one because if/when inflation comes back they will be sitting pretty.  They may have to get thorugh a couple of rough years first.

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Hey BA, what's the 80 two miles north of me going to bring on the 19th? Could be interesting considering the very poor crop in this immediate area. 4010

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BA Deere
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Hey 4010, I`m a little surprised that Roger has a 80 up.  Even if a guy has the money laying around (I don`t 🙂 )   this poor crop and crappy prices would cause a buyer to pause.  And alot of times that "pause" kills the sale, in the past years a good auctioneer could coax a extra $2,000 out of a piece of ground  🙂

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where is RSW when you need him? Smiley Very Happy

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The people who topped the market in 1980 were mostly the ones who were sure that hyperinflation was just around the corner.

 

Could be right this time, maybe, maybe not. That's why it is all so much fun.

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Speaking of RSW, I mention this as a cautionary tale for all, not to take a jab at him.

 

I have serious concerns for his state of mind should the morning tally of his net worth statement someday show a 50% haircut. Even though if he's debt free he's still done very, very well.

 

Self worth shouldn't be subject to net worth.

 

Although insolvency is never fun. 

 

Actually I should know, having been temporarily insolvent at one point where I fortunately was not forced to liquidate and made a reasonable recovery.  Others were forced to liquidate when they had negative NWs.

 

Worse thngs than that in the whole scheme as well. Good to remember.

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