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Honored Advisor

Re: healthcare bill....read it and weep

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WCMO

I agree the horse is out of genie's bottle....... there was and is only one option...... the 270 with a good scope....

 

The most scary words we here is a politician saying "fix it" or "replace it"... you don't fix bad legislation.

kill it and let the private sector pick up the pieces....

It is the only chance to see drug or medical expenses go down.....  The gorilla middle man drives the price of everything up...

 

There are millions of people who do not qualify for insurance, so what else is new......  no government action is going to change that.

 

this read reminds me of two fat folks on either side of the isle in a plane taking up three seats each and arguing about what part of their diet caused their problems...... Ever see that argument about too many marathons causing my weight program.

Yet even on here we will ignore the things that really turn muscle to fat....lack of use.....

It is not what they eat but what they do and doing nothing but eating is interesting but "doing nothing" is the clue.

 

we wont even evaluate without scapegoating......Congressmen sure won't look at 30 million uninsured people and honestly evaluate why.

 

We are just trying to find ways to increase this welfare spending with new titles ............ just another tax..... and hopefully keep the fat folks marching and not shooting.. and notice how the number of poor declined from ww2 until the late 60's but as we ramped up social welfare spending the number stopped going down.

Government pays people to remain in poverty.    We make life easier and food free....

 

We will form a committee to evaluate hamburgers but never our own actions...

 

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Re: healthcare bill....read it and weep

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If seems to me those who use more health care should pay more for health insurance. The people who live in areas with more hail storms pay more for hail insurance......as it should be.

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Re: healthcare bill....read it and weep

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SW  - Government shut down in September will settle these issue's  -  NO  TAKERS  on  Medicare  Refund  option ? 

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Re: healthcare bill....read it and weep

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3-4-5 years ago, I 100% agreed with just killing ACA.  Problem now is that 50%+ of the population would scream loudly, the votes likely aren't any more there to just kill it than the votes were there over the past several years, the insurance companies likely wouldn't be able to fill in the holes right away, etc.  Would be difficult to just pick up where we left off 5-6-7 years ago.  Plus, what about the people who lost their previous coverages due to ACA, what about the companies that quit selling health insurance, and what about the remaining problem of pre-existing conditions?  And, health insurance, along with healthcare costs, were spiraling upward before ACA also.

 

Repealing only -- leaves a lot of questions, and some big potential gaps for those with individual coverage and/or pre-existing conditions.

 

Repeal and replace -- depends on the replacement.

 

Until a workable and acceptable replacement is formulated, it makes sense to me to "fix" what appears broken or unworkable in the current system.  If the "free preventive care" requirements are causing the problem, then make them subject to the deductible; if the "subsidies" are too large, reduce them; etc.  And, while we're at it, let's make sure we provide for open competition among the insurance companies, across state lines, and include state/federal employees and retirees, especially our senators and representatives, as subject to all the same health insurance rules in the marketplace as the rest of us.  I don't understand the benefit to having kids on parent policies until they're 26, but I don't have any kids, and I've had my own health insurance (thru employers or individually purchased) since I was 18, except for part of 2016 (between when my policy got cancelled and when I signed up thru the marketplace for 2017).  Even wa-a-ay back when I was in college, we could buy student health coverage for something like $50 per semester -- that was quite a bargain.

 

When we say there are many people who "don't qualify" for insurance, I do understand that, yet those people were still getting health care, at least when absolutely needed -- thru paying their own money, and/or thru Medicaid &/or unpaid (paid indirectly by the rest of us anyway).  That was likely a lot of the theory in requiring everyone to have coverage, and to help offset some of the cost.

 

On welfare spending in general -- that's been a problem for most of us conservative-minded folks, and even part of the fairly liberal-minded.  Welfare has evolved from basic temporary essentials, to a way of life for far too many folks, at least far too many that seem to make it their permanent lifestyle, and want "raises and more benefits" every year.  Makes me think of a landlord's daughter -- single, never married, low 20's, maybe 25, has 4-year college degree, works at a daycare making minimum wage, lives with her folks, has an infant son (actually a planned pregnancy), planning on a 2nd child (guess just hasn't picked the father yet), and who knows what all forms of assistance she's receiving, but I know she has researched it and receives it, except for maybe the psychiatric help.  I'm not at all judging her, but geez, I think her Republican parents are starting to have some health problems.

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House passes healthcare bill

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-idUSKBN18014F

 

With the 217-213 vote, Republicans obtained just enough support to push the legislation through the House, sending it to the Senate for consideration. No Democrats voted for the bill.

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How is the new health care bill going to affect your own farming operation?

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Well BA is going to need some healthcare....rabid elcheapo kind of worked on his rear end, which I am sorry for.  I hope he will be able

to set without using his inner tube in a couple of days.

Healthcare is a very charged issue...it's a life and death issue.  I personally know at least 6 transplant people, and transplants

are expensive, and so is the aftercare and medications.

As far as old age, I know several 90 year olds, and one over 100 years.  and all of them look forward to the next sunrise.

The whole things boils down to this, most people are covered by where they work, then another part has government care,

such as medicare, medicade or Tricare....so that leaves 20 to 25%.

its amazing the insurance company claims that it's so high for this 20%.....but one could say that the "remainder" is a group

in and of itself.

This idea of placing surcharges on people is silly.....$5000 for a diabetic...$140,000 for the person with advanced cancer.

also news coming out that the new plans may not be required to have even emergency treatment, hospitalization, medications,

labs, outpatient care........that IS healthcare !!!

This Washington bunch didn't really solve anything, just made even more people fearful.....they should run it thru a committee,

and reps need to be having town hall meetings an talk to people, and get their input...rather than some back room agreement

that is rushed to be voted on.

And with all the headache and worry.....they have not done one thing yet, to lower medical costs.

 

I for one am worried....you will pay your premium then surcharge....I have several major issues........so how much more

$1000 to $2000 more per month, I cant afford that per month.......but I have several things wrong that could pop up its

head at any time, be in excess of $100,000.....I would have no other choice but to start to sell ground.

This does seem to be a political problem.......my state, Kansas, was one of the few states that didn't take the fed funds to

fund medicade.......we just didn't have it, and people suffered......here is the most ironic, but most spooky thing......the

top ten states that have the most pre-existing people are the same one's trump carried.......Kansas is number 10 and

he carried it hook, line and sinker.....

nope, i'm upset......and to know that it was a political problem just makes it worse.

 

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Whatever you might`ve said isn`t any problem ElCheapo, I assure you I`ll be sitting a lot today.  But with this healthcare people want their cake, eat it too...and not get fat. And that ain`t gonna work, if you look at countries around the world, they are healthier, live longer and they don`t have access to all that high priced medical machinery and drugs that some of you feel are so necessary.  But I can tell you they don`t have rows and rows in every town of drive through, deep fried in Canola oil fast food joints, their grocery stores don`t have scooters and aisles devoted to candy bars and Lil Debbie and Twinkies.  "Prevention" is something this country is sorely lacking and to make up for 30 years of bad behavior with miracle pills and gastric bypass operations doesn`t heal it.

 

With the Unafforable Healthcare Act, it was passed by only Democrats, the whole country was given the finger and now after the bridges are burned "Trumpcare" is about the only easy bailing wire fix, without going totally medieval, which is what we really should do.   Blame should be laid at Obama and the Democrats for not passing a bipartisan healthcare bill, even if it took a year or two longer, because look where we are today???

 

My Conservative friends say "let Obamacare fail, then start from scratch!" well, that`d be ideal, but Republicans would still get the blame for just letting it crash.  Truth of the matter is Obamacare was a stepping stone to complete socialized medicine, it had an expiration date and was designed to eventually fail, it`s just Republicans are too smart to go the socialist route.   Though the Pre-existing conditions remain, but I suppose it pert near has to.

 

 

This is how arrogant they are, all you need to know here:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adrdmmh7bMo

 

 

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Veteran Advisor

Re: House passes healthcare bill

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Potentially spending 3-4-5 times what I currently spend for health insurance coverage -- that goes straight to the bottom line -- that money comes from somewhere.

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Re: healthcare bill....read it and weep

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Until the costs of actual care are addressed , premiums will go parabolic and the whole system will then implode.
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