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gough whitlam
Senior Contributor

wood versus steel.

I notice lots of you guys still use timber to build a shed or whatever.  Over here that would not get a second thought.  I don't anyone who builds timber sheds in this country.  What's the deal?

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James22
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Re: wood versus steel.

Just poles/frame or are you also referring to the siding?  Haven't seen any wood siding being used on larger buildings.  Treated "laminated" posts are guaranteed for 60 years, or the alternative is to buy cast concrete "stubs" to put into the ground and use lumber above ground.   I've got a couple of all steel buildings but they require either poured in place concrete pillars or better, a complete poured foundation.  A lot more work and money.   Erecting a new machinery storage building this month and due to cost didn't consider another steel building.    If the site has good drainage and the poles are kept reasonably dry, they last a long time.  Will be located near some trees which could be a problem with rain gutters, so will forgo them and for a few extra dollars will run a French drain entirely around the building and send the water to a nearby pond.  Sold the home place and had to remove a 50 year old pole barn that was on a well drained site.  Poles were like new, but were creosoted.    Nearly all of the  treated poles (non laminated) were rotted off in a fifteen year old smaller building that was build on a site without good drainage.

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gough whitlam
Senior Contributor

Re: wood versus steel.

It seems to me that steel is ten times stronger but I don't know the price of steel over there.  I also wonder how wooden sheds would fare in a tornado compared to steel.

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James22
Senior Contributor

Re: wood versus steel.

Roughly 20 years ago the two steel units didn't cost appreciably more than the alternative wood post/steel sheet buildings.  Now a lot more expensive.   No doubt the steel buildings are significantly stronger and can easily be resheeted.  Still a pain to erect requiring a crane or equivalent to host the assembled girders and unlike a quonset style building which also usually requires a foundation, you aren't finished and still need to sheet it.    Just more cost effective to have good insurance and get everything replaced if you are unlikely enough to have a tornado come thru.

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Re: wood versus steel.

Neither one wil stand a tornado or even a strong direcho.

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Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor

Re: wood versus steel.

When the tornado came through a few miles from me, it totally demolished the wood framed shed, the steel framed shed, as well as the Quanset shed.

 

Seriously, there are a lot of wood framed sheds that go up around here, because if you use it just for machinery storage, and not a 'shop', they are far cheaper to build, and properly treated poles in well drained ground, will last longer than I will.

They also go up much faster, as the crew can start building, and just go up with it, instead of having to dig footings, form it up, pour concrete, wait for it to cure, and then build.


That said, for a farm shop, with a paved floor, it is Steel all the way.

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Re: wood versus steel.

A strong enough tornado will turn a wood shed into a house of tooth picks but  a pre-fabed steel building will hold together better.

I would go with steel anyways for many reasons.  It will last longer, no wall bearing walls or poles, it's an inorganic material.  No worries about mold, fungus,termites. Just my two cents. 

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Nebrfarmr
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Re: wood versus steel.

I can speak from experience, a tordado will take anything it wants to.   The biggest thing in my opinion, is the strength of the doors, and that they are shut, when the tornado hits. and I think roof vents help.  The sheds I have seen taken by tornadoes, were pulled up, from wind blowing into them, rather than pushed over.  This was true, for both wood and steel.

Steel I think hold up to straight winds better, though, and steel does not warp, and cause the doors to sag.

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Kay/NC
Honored Advisor

Re: wood versus steel.

Building materials decisions can be driven a lot by local availability...freight becoming more of a cost factor.  Other considerations, like span distances, and environmental issues like moisture, also take a role.  

 

We build a lot of what you would consider smaller sheds, since we do not need or want big row cropping machinery, and a commonly available 16- foot Southern Yellow Pine rafter is a locally- sourced, strong framing member that we default to for most rafters.  Ditto for pressure- treated posts.  

 

Our primary concerns for weather are with hurricanes, which gives our county a wind load zone of about 100 mph, sustained, or perhaps a little more.  We reinforce with hurricane strapping on  every rafter.  

 

Of course, one thing hurricnaes often do is spawn tornados, too.  I agree with Nebrfarmer...a tornado takes whrift wants wants, often droning enough damage that a total loss of a structure is easier to work with, than trying to repair one.  

 

Beyond that, our snowfalls are seldom as severe as what most of you deal with, but we can get a foot to 18 inches in a day, once in a decade or so.  We have to allow enough slope to deal with that, and also ice storm weight, which is often worse.  

 

We have pole sheds with treated posts and metal roofs  and skins that are forty and still going strong.  I am more concerned about premature corrosion I see in some metal elements we buy, which may be imported, than I am with a good pressure- treated pine post.  I have some expensive storm doors on my office that haven't lasted five years, and they are riddled with holes, so are being junked. 

 

We pay attention to buying a heavier gauge metal for roofing, and use longer fasteners, to handle wind loads.  I have had one roof fail in forty years, and it was attached to a building someone else designed and built, which was the weakest link.

 

 If you are using your regular labor pool, instead of hiring a contractor, doing with what your people know how to handle, can create significant savings.  I know how much slope they are comfortable working on top of, and how much weight they can easily hoist to form a plate...stuff like that.  Everyone to their own best way...

 

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Shaggy98
Senior Advisor

Re: wood versus steel.

I am a longtime member of the local emergency response team.  Until I became involved with the fire department, I would have considered a wood frame building.  After several shed fires throughout the years, I will never consider a wood frame structure.  I know you are probably saying that all of our houses are wood framed and they seem to be fine, and I agree.  Not many of us do welding, cutting, grinding or any other spark creating activities inside our homes.  I can't tell you how many times we have been dispatched to a shed fire where they were doing some type of welding or cutting earlier in the day and created a hotspot somewhere else in the vicinity that eventually ignited the wooded structure during the night.  With a wood frame structure you will lose it all, with a steel frame structure the building usually will not collapse so the fire dept. will have a chance of saving part of it if it is reported soon enough.  Just my nickels worth.

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