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jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

5 -25 weather Update (Early Edition)

Good Evening!  This is pretty interesting, thought that I'd share it with you.  You hear me speak of not very powerful pressure systems.  Here's a powerful system for you.  Look at the loop in the Jet Stream by New England.  Notice how close the Isobars (the white lines showing the dip of the Jet Stream.  These are lines of equal pressure in the atmosphere, and if they look like lines of a topographical chart of land formations, you're right.  Those lines on a land chart show lines of equal elevation - these are like that and lines of equal pressure, and it shows the pressure gradient) are together.   This is a 300 MB chart, which means the it's 30,000 feet above Sea Level.   It's a common altitude for jet liners to fly at.  This is 8 days from now:

 

10 Day forecast of 300 mb winds and heights from the GFS model

 

 

Now, look what happens a couple of days later:

 

10 Day forecast of 300 mb winds and heights from the GFS model

 

 

A new Low Pressure center is created, and again, (I've been talking about these for a couple of weeks now) it is a Cut-Off Low.  But, look at this next map:

 

10 Day forecast of 300 mb winds and heights from the GFS model

 

 

Up in Canada above Lake Superior, you see the center of the Low, shown by a L with numbers below it.  The numbers are the lowest pressure of the system, in Milibars.  877.8 millibars is equivalant to 25.92 inchs of mercury (29.92 is standard sea level pressure).  Now - this is a storm.  This is hurricane strength type storm.  And the cut off low is a massive storm in it's own right.  Anyway, that's tonights gee whiz thing.  You don't see this sort of thing very often.  It's worth watching to see what this thing does.  And I want to you think about this storm and the hugh number of Isobars, when I refer to pressure systems with little power.  Power equates to number of Isobars, and how close these are together.  The closer together, the greater the number of Isobars, the stronger the Low pressure center, and the stronger the winds associated with the system.

 

This is a progression over two days of the cut-off low formation in the SW that is bringing the rain to the SW area:

NAM - US - 300mb - 4Panel

 

As you've probably seen in the past, once the Cut-Off Low is formed, it no longer follows the Jet Stream, and has been the case with the last several, they stick around in the area where they are formed.

 

 

Now, let's look at 4 days from now in the Midwest Jet Stream:

 

10 Day forecast of 300 mb winds and heights from the GFS model

 

 

See what I'm talking about.  Look how far apart the Isobars are.  This is a stable atmosphere.  Very little lifting action, very little turbulence to aid in thunderstorm development.  This is my basis for disagreeing with the extended forecasts.  Now, can we still get thunderstorm development.  Sure.  Unequal heating of the Earth's surface is enough to cause updrafts, and get moisture high enough in the atmosphere to cool it to the Dew Point (where the air in the the atmosphere condenses and causes visable moisture - clouds, rain, fog, etc) which can then fall as rain.

 

This is Tuesday's map.  The purple is showing possible moisture - lots of coverage area, very little in the way of large areas of precip:

10 Day forecast of surface pressure and precipitation amounts from the GFS model

 

 

The darkest purple areas are showing 0.175 inches of rain.  Whoop-de-ding.  The green spot in E TX and LA is 0.50 (1/2 inch) of precip.  Now again - this doesn't mean that a big thunderstorm can't get going and dump on you.  But with the stability in the Jet Stream atmosphere, these are the type of storms that should generally die after sunset, because there is no more lifting mechanism to push the air mass where it gets cold enough to cool it to the Dew Point, and the storms die.

 

Anyway, there ya go.  My lesson for tonight.  Rain for the Midwest?  Some - Scattered, and not very much.

 

Jen

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c-x-1
Veteran Advisor

Re: 5 -25 weather Update (Early Edition)

a hurricane at the outset of the Atlantic season OVER THE HUDSON BAY?----different, indeed.

 

 it'll put  those new windmills and holding grids to the test in Canada ay? - and generate some massive potential power

 

either way, i see what appears to be a strong-stable blocking ridge forming north of US. --- same result as cutoff low? 

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jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

Re: 5 -25 weather Update (Early Edition)

C-X-1, Good Morning.  No - there is no ridge development anywhere in the country right now.  Systems are moving, although they are slowing down a little.  I continue to be concerned about rainfall across the US, and I think I am going to be right on the 6-10 day forecasts of above normal precip being wrong.  Not sure who put them out - but maybe they need a better long term forecaster at the helm.  We'll see as the next few days go by.

 

I see by my maps that the took a lot of the precip out of the forecast for the next few days.  If you've been following me here for awhile, you already knew that though.  I had very little confidence in the 6-10 day forecasts the last couple of days.  Conserve moisture.  Don't plant wet ground, unless you have one of Time's planters where you can float the seeds in and they grow great.

 

Have a nice Memorial Day everyone.  I will be heading back to Cannon Falls later today, I helped my relation get caught up to where the acres left are manageable, and I need to get back and get some things done around home before the rent-a-kids show up later this week.

 

Jen

 

 

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Shaggy98
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Re: 5 -25 weather Update (Early Edition)

Just to update you on my location Jen, we received 1.5" last friday in the small Central Kansas town where I live and all but one of my farms received between 1"-1.3" that same day.  I can live with that, the one farm that didn't receive any moisture had 1.5" about 2 weeks ago and it was fit to be planted to milo so that is exactly what I did last Wednesday.

 

According the the current radar, we've got a nice band of showers moving into our area within the next 30 minutes or so but appears that the heavier rain might just miss us to the east by a handful of miles so maybe nothing more than a lite shower but we'll still gladly take it.

 

Enjoy the rest of your weekend and please travel safely.

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jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

Re: 5 -25 weather Update (Early Edition)

Thanks Saggy. That cut-off low helped you guys out. Without that happening, rain for you would've been next to none.

Based on the weather, we might travel down to the Grand Canyon with the grand daughters. But we'll see what the forecasts look like a week from now before we make the final decision. Hopefully you've found my forecasts helpful. Wish I could make it rain, but those powers weren't bestowed upon me.

Jen
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Hobbyfarmer
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Re: 5 -25 weather Update (Early Edition)

I'm glad that time loaned me one of his planters and I made the executive management decision to no till some damp ground yesterday evening. 27 hundredths in the rain bucket this morning, those beans now have no clue they were planted a little damp.

 

 

Been digging post holes in my spare time, never hit powder dry dirt but did hit water in one. Most were not as wet as I would like this time of year. Tile lines are dribbling a little.

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Re: 5 -25 weather Update (Early Edition)

Jen-this weather is awesome. Good totals on our place, but sure makes getting hay up tough. Do you see the current low in the sw staying put? Rain is supposed to let up for a few days then get going again here. We have had more rain in past three days than last six to nine months.
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Shaggy98
Senior Advisor

Re: 5 -25 weather Update (Early Edition)

Location bkadds?
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Re: 5 -25 weather Update (Early Edition)

Dalhart, Texas
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c-x-1
Veteran Advisor

Re: 5 -25 weather Update (Early Edition)

Shaggy - sounds like a good start with the milo and seems like your getting better precip coverage of late!

 

say, about what date does/did the rain or lack thereof begin to be a nonfactor in the HRW yield - for practical purposes.

 

i know it helps some till the day it all turns golden, but...................

 

thank you,

 

 

 

 

 

c-x-1

 

 

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