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Re: Corn Planters Need A Raincoat

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Im not sure the graph was understood ba.......... .

 

US vs China .................Total Goods exported totaled $129.9 billion; goods imports totaled $505.5 billion.    -2017

 

Total grain exports to china n 2015 (a high year)   was   13 Billion $ worth  (if you include all grains, ag products, and fruits)  

 

In 2017   ,,,,, of the  505+ billion imported into the US from China,  186+ billion dollars of electronic devices were imported into the US  ----Compare that to the usual 12-13 billion in ag exports

 

Apple alone makes more profit in one quarter of 2018 (three months--- profits not gross) than all the 2017 ag exports to China.  And paid more than all the ag exports from the US to China in income taxes to countries outside the US.

 

The adminstration is not trying to kill agriculture........ they are trying to get our heart and kidneys back.  As usual our mouthpieces in the media are on the wrong side of this discussion.

 

 

 

 

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Sw  &  BA  -  Agree  on  the  tipped  scale ,   so  if  that's  the  case   $125.oo cwt. FATS  and   $10.oo  lb. Rib Eye ,  processed  some,  from  foreign  owned  meat  company's  - ? 

Why  do  we  even  import  any  meat,  the   export  numbers  there  don't  match  either  -  ?

 

Food  -  Feed  &  Beverages  2019  ,  USA  - Export  $ 133  Billion  -  USA   IMPORT   $147  Billion  

 

Pharmaceuticals                               ,  USA  - Export    $55    Billion -   USA  IMPORT   $134  Billion,   why  is  this  not  examined  -  ? 

 

Automotive                                        ,  USA  - Export  $159  Billion  -    USA  IMPORT   $ 362  Billion 

 

Industrial Goods                                ,   USA - Export  $ 539 Billion  -   USA  IMPORT   $ 576  Billion

 

Capital  Goods                                  ,   USA - Export  $562 Billion   -   USA   IMPORT   $ 693 Billion  -  whom ever might try to track this electronic chaos   - ? 

 

CON - SUMER  GOODS                   ,   USA  -  Export $206 Billion  -   USA   IMPORT   $ 648 BILLION  trying  to  turn  this  around  will  be  monumental 

   

 The  Balance  2019   -  Imports  $3.1  Trillion    vs.   $2.5  Trillion  =  Goods  and  Services Economy 

 

CONSOLIDATION  being  the  last,  quick,  solution,  momentarily,  &  if  in  doubt,   ask  dairy   -  ? 

 

1  Question  -  DO  THEY  MAKE  TRACK's  FOR  CORN  PLANTER's  - ?        

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Thank you for your input Farmer 1990.

 

and thank you for better explaining what is going on, SW.  

 

China is like the schoolyard bully that`s stolen our lunch money, we are doing what you have to do in standing up to the bully and not giving in, well that sometimes does result in a punch in the nose.....but, we are holding on to our lunch money!

 

"kids" that willingly hand over their lunch money say "no one wins a trade war!"  "Smoot-Hawley caused the great depression!" none of which are true but are statements that have been repeated often enough that just to utter them causes most to capitulate. 

 

The funny thing in all of this (trade deficit) prior to 2016, Democrats would give lip service to "I`ll stand up to China and do something about the trade deficit!".  Republicans (my party) wouldn`t mention the trade deficit or say "trade deficits are good...that means we have money to buy"  (yeah that`s similar to what my banker told me when corn was $7....now not so much   Smiley Happy  )   My machine shed is full of my $7 corn personal "trade deficit spending", now i`m making the payments...ouch!   Smiley Sad 

 

But! after the 2016 election a guy that campaigned on "doing something about the trade imbalance" got elected and "Oh crap! He`s gonna carry out his promises!...no politician does that!"  .  Now  Shazam! presto chango the Democrats have become the biggest Adam Smith free traders/traitors of all time!  Imagine that!   Adam Smith`s free trade manifesto didn`t involve the US running annual $100`s of billions in trade deficits and pitting US workers against $2/day slave labor.

 

I`d be a Democrat, if they would be.

 

 

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gotta disagree a little but don't let it bother ya much BA, the source is ..... .......

 

China is not a bully.  They just took advantage of the system our government set up to enhance the "global" plan.  To raise the level of third world ships with american water.(best I can come up with these days for an example)  Every president ahead of this one promoted it and most citizens agreed to it, with a "guilt sermon from DC" , the tech boom, and the strongest economy, "how could sharing all this  with all them not be worth the price?"  America's big heart 

 

It took a lot to turn america's heart hard.......... An apology for our success tour,  Leadership slandering Voters that are making the most sacrafice for the Global plan,  Our Super rich tech industry that buys congressmen, but manufactures, buys its inputs, and pays it's taxes outside the US ----is finally appearing to voters like the true foreign agents influencing our elections and writing our laws.

 

China is the biggest population on the playground--- not taking our lunch money-- but accepting the gift of our global give away.

 

The US is trying to be the bully ....... to survive the mistakes of the last 30 years.  We are over 20T in debt trying to raise those other ships on the playground..... now we try to keep from going over the falls by renegotiating our give away....... we don't have a choice.

And our global buddies in europe who were counting on the US to finance global plans.  Will fall back on the press and the environmental boogy man.

 

Missinformation has been a big part of every global battle....... this one is no different 

 

I been doing a study of WW one and the fall of the monarchies of old europe.....When wealth gets concentrated that much,  humans really can make big mistakes. 

 

hang in there ----I still read... 

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Hey SW. Perhaps we should say China is Opportunistically Assertive?  They`re willing accomplices exploiting their own people, while making out like bandits in taking factories "off our hands"...stealing hubcaps off cars in the parking lot and selling them right back to the victims.  Farmers have benefited on a limited scale in the con game...I`ll admit that.  A story I like about a hunter and his dog are starving in the wilderness and the hunter cuts the dog`s tail off and eats the meat and throws the dog the bone and they`re both happy, is kind of how I`d describe those of us minor "winners" in the global trade game.

 

In this chess game, China is gambling that the president`s supporters (us inbred, tobbaca chewin`, shotgun totin` hayseed, soybean growers) will put pressure on him in front of the 2020 election....that`s Xi`s wager.   But we`re what .0000001% of the president`s supporters? Not all farmers raise soybeans and not all farmers are shallow & short sighted.   So if I was Xi in Washington this week, I`d be darned careful to not overplay my hand

 

We made China, we saved their bacon from the Japanese in WWII, we made them and we can destroy them, but I don`t know if that will be the case 10 years from now.  China is showing their colors and it doesn`t look very good to have a country with their attitude in the super power club.  

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History  tells  us  it  was  once  said  '''  Let  Them  Eat  Cake  '''  -  ?    

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That is a complete fabrication 289, no record she ever said it, but it

was a nice rallying cry for the mob of death....still a nice rallying cry

for a socialist rally of any kind any where in the world....

 

ba....we did not save China....goodness sakes...they saved themselves

by slowly adopting a market based "unlimited debt" and no financial

standards either, approach to communism....they really get all the credit

(pun intended) in the big scheme....well until it collapses which

it will sometime soon..."unlimited debt" approach works every time....

until it collapses....at that point...war is a time honored choice in those situations.

 

To claim we saved China is just silly...you think a few mil Japs could control

a Billion folks for long? China would have been similar to St. Petersburg and

Moscow for the Germans, or the French of Napolean.

 

 

 

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Time, prior to ww2 Japan attacked China like 8 times.... and China had no where near 1 billion people. WWIIs outcome (nukes on japan) stopped japan from attacking, freeing china up to manufacture.
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Keep  in  mind  folks  a  military,  troops  conflict  with  China  would  be  an  extremely  tall  order  &  task ,  that  being  the  reason  for  the  micro  confrontations  of  economic  policy  being  an  only  option  -  -  -

 

The  trade  ( container  shipments )  battle  is  a  slower  death,  easier  sell,  than  a  battlefield   -   -   -        

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K289

 

In a nut shell   -- well said.

 

I really think we are getting to why the west coast is so animate in their trump hate.......  the end result of our "renegotiations" attempt (or tarriffs) is to trim the profiteering of the tech industry, chemical industry, and all those who seek to get rich exploiting chinese labor and manufacturing.  (even those "shark tank" and "QVC" soon to be rich, inventors.)

 

So -----draw a line............. china / US (the part that supports trump and would like the US to survive economically)

I don't think governments make decisions all that effeciently or predictably.  

 

The tech industry which has some states ahd half our politics in their control falls easily on the Chinese side of the line.  Monsterous profits stand to be lost.

 

...........   Congress with greased palms has paved the way by passing laws that support monopoly controls and laws that limit manufacturing in the US and make it easy to do business here and pay taxes somewhere else....... ---- I would place them on the Chinese side of that line.   (and say that legislators who are bought by this foreign cash flow should be included)

 

The message ...............control of the press   .every war is preceded and includes misinformation , this one is no different........ and clearly on the china side of the line. (including Reuters)  This is clearly the biggest danger point.  Some of our elected officials understand this and have from the "fake news" beginning....  Twitter is just a "beach head" against the invading force on the west coast destine to remake  our representative republic.

 

the US education system ------ must feel good to those chosen by the tech industry to be taught here --- far to expensive for most US citizens is clearly on the Chinese side where research can be just an idea and the US taxpayer picks up the tab.

 

So who is on the side of the US?   ................................... a large voting public segment that includes former workers from many industries that have lost jobs and communities since this war was declared back in the 1900's.   And an odd fellow who knows our history and has a little connection to socialist europe,  couldn't be bullied into not running.

 

From the view of the trade battle many things become clearer........   and farmers where do they stand..... they have just now had their jobs threatened -- it has been an easy battle to sit back and watch when your beans are worth a lot of cheap paper money.   Did they rise in support of their neighbors in other industries as jobs went off shore to boost profiteering?  Will they rise as the calls come to change the voting system.  Or the senators who oppose public education rant on about how this system is just too hard.

 

Time your right and appreciated.   And it is always hard to see past the propaganda and battle crys..... (what a great example)   we need to keep notes because we have legislators who coin similar phrases often..... made me think of "vote for it and we will write it"  "no child left behind"   pretty much missinformation...on a daily basis

 

 


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Keep  in  mind  folks  a  military,  troops  conflict  with  China  would  be  an  extremely  tall  order  &  task ,  that  being  the  reason  for  the  micro  confrontations  of  economic  policy  being  an  only  option  -  -  -

 

The  trade  ( container  shipments )  battle  is  a  slower  death,  easier  sell,  than  a  battlefield   -   -   -