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jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

Re: Floor Talk July 30

I expect to get blasted, and that's OK. Why should the trade listen to me or anyone else when IT ALREADY HAS A PLAN CONCOCTED. Da. But is it legal. Must be - been going on for years. But at what cost. It's so interesting that in previous years, this was a FUTURES market, and how much to do there was about how the futures led the market by what they saw - ahead of time. So this years plan was to try something new - great idea - we'll trail the market and come up with a million excuses for what we're doing. Who's ever idea it was - bust them back to a page. Because the plan is stupid, and the CBOT loses credibility daily.

Jen
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jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

Re: Floor Talk July 30

And one more thing. I don't give a rat's butt if the trade is listening. I'm not writing this for the trade. My voice is one of an American Farmer, and hopefully, I can be joined by more. I'm saying what I've wanted to say for a very long time. The board gave me the chance to do so with this stupid plan to steal the American Farmer crop. I can't do it by myself. Maybe I won't have to.

Jen
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giolucas
Veteran Advisor

Re: Floor Talk July 30

Jen,

 

I do not want to upset you.  Considering where you are.  Good Night.

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jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

Re: Floor Talk July 30

Bring it on....
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giolucas
Veteran Advisor

Re: Floor Talk July 30

Bring what on.

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Sillinoisfarmer
Frequent Contributor

Re: Floor Talk July 30

 

.giolucas:

 

I understand what you are saying but is not the futures markets supposed to predict what a crop is supposed to be worth in the future?  There is a huge difference in a 14b crop compared to a 11b crop in the corn market.  The boots on the ground people, who are witnessing the damage first hand daily are raising the alarm that there is an iceberg dead ahead.  The market is responding by increasing the speed and setting the course dead ahead saying we need to make it to New York on time!  I have read on here that it is just a few people complaining about the bad crops and the good people are not saying anything.  If that were the case this site would have to sit back and just listen to the crickets chirp.  When it is all said and done, anyone who has harvested the corn, knows that while the yield monitor is showing 200 bph half the row, they tend to forget when the other half was reading 0 that it will only average to 100, yet they will tell you only about the 200 reading!  I would postulate that only when conditions are really bad do you have people telling you how bad it really is as it is the only way they can assuage their angst.  When you don't have much to sell and Mr. Market is saying sell it for $4.50 before it goes lower, it adds insult to injury when two months down the road the trade says we did not raise what we thought we would and the price goes to the high 7's.  It is like a card game and you have to guess if your opponent is bluffing and when you get down to it the market should not work that way.  If the USDA is going to be the neutral arbitrator then traders as well as farmers have the same level playing field.  In today's modern computer age, when  farmers have to certifiy what we have planted and where, juxaposed with weather data and crop insurance records,  all that would have to be done is plug in a yield.  As you say though the futures price discovery makes money short or long, if you just can get on the right side of the trade.  I also understand backyardits hits all of us farmers that tend to make us bullish, and if we are we store it in the bin; or bearish and we can sell it today and lock in our prices.  I am sure the shorts know what they are doing but when the steamroller operator is screaming to get out of the way as he careens down the hill with no brakes and they are still picking up dimes out of the street in front of it- they can not say they were not warned.

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jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

Re: Floor Talk July 30

Giolucas, you said you didn't want to upset me. I doubt you will. Bring it on....

Jen
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giolucas
Veteran Advisor

Re: Floor Talk July 30

Sillinoisfarmer,

 

I agree totally with you and in the end, production could be 11 or 10b  and I am confident that the futures market will reflect a greater price then we currently have.  Although we have had some weather problems could we still produce a good crop, of course, if the weather cooperates??? I know that due to late planting and the threat of early frost , that could bring the production number down dramatically.  I know that marketing grain is a lot more difficult.  Do I store grain or do I sell it?  Well if you farmers think that we will have a devastating grain production then STORE GRAIN.  Why rack your brain?  Because if we come in at 11 or 10b I am 100% sure that you will be singing with joy at the futures market.

 

 

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jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

Re: Floor Talk July 30

Because what happened on the market last week probably duped a bunch of farmers into something they may not have sold if the bean market wasn't crashed by a couple of firms "in the know". Well I'm sorry, but crashing a publically traded market by firms colluding to make it so is illegal, and started a cascade of other markets going down. As RayJ himself confessed to, mocking us farmers, "That´s what happens" when farmers panic sell. This whole thing is BS, a good share of is farmers know it. Most others suspect it. CBOT credibility just sank to a new low.

Jen
jennys_mn
Veteran Advisor

Re: Floor Talk July 30

Giolucas, are you reading what your writing? Could we still produce a good crop if the weather cooperates?

This is exactly what I talked about weeks ago. We take the market to some rediculas low that is totally unjustified, only then to take it up to some rediculas level that is totally unjustified, on the greed of a few that can. The guys at the CBOT are playing with fire. They're actions are detrimental to the farming community of the entire world. And in the end, they'll be standing there and saying, "Who could've known?" As they haul away their billions of dollars, and say, "We don't care what farmers think."

We'll see.

Jen
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